Depression, physical illness, and emotional torment often share hidden spiritual roots
Do you have the faith to heal from depression? Depression, physical illness, and emotional torment often share hidden spiritual roots—and healing can be immediate through the Prayer of Freedom book. In this powerful conversation, Beatty Carmichael and Jennifer Stirling-Campbell discuss different types of spirits and the role of forgiveness, confession, and repentance in healing permanently from physical and emotional pain.
Using personal stories and experiences, Beatty emphasizes the power of prayer and the significance of addressing the root causes of illness. Most importantly, he shares how discovering and releasing these root causes can result in IMMEDIATE healing. Together, Jennifer and Beatty also touch on how discipline is meant for correction, NOT punishment; the challenges of modern medicine; the importance of creativity in education; and how the journey of healing is as a personal and transformative experience as a soul is willing to accept.
Learn More on Beatty Carmichael’s YouTube Channel
Read Beatty Carmichael’s book: The Prayer of Freedom
“If you’ve been battling persistent struggles—chronic pain, trauma, anxiety, depression, addiction, or even suicidal thoughts—and nothing seems to work, you’re not alone. But what most people don’t realize is that many struggles—like anxiety, chronic pain, addiction, or depression—may not be what they seem. They often have a spiritual root, embedded in spiritual laws that few people understand. That’s why traditional solutions may offer temporary relief but rarely bring lasting freedom.
The Prayer of Freedom book introduces a breakthrough approach—a research-based process of biblical prayer designed to remove the spiritual torment that’s often been misdiagnosed as a medical or emotional condition at the root.
The result? Freedom that lasts. And it’s not just for mental health and chronic pain—it applies to every area of life where torment disguises itself and takes hold.”
most common categories that invite a “daemon spirit” and cause sickness
The three most common categories that invite a “daemon spirit” and cause sickness/prevent healing are:
- Sex outside of marriage
- Unforgiveness of someone
- Dabbling or playing with the occult
Four steps to interrogate and remove a “daemon spirit” And Cause of sickness:
Four steps to interrogate and remove a “daemon spirit” and cause of sickness:
- Ask the Lord to bring up the first spirit that God wants me to address (either for myself or for someone else).
- Ask what the role of that spirit is in perpetuating the problem.
- Ask what the legal right to the spirit is. The legal right will be an un-repented sin 100% of the time.
- With intention, say, “I repent of [un-repented sin].” Then cast the spirit out in the name of the Lord.
Other book reference in this podcast:
The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Bessel van der Kolk
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Full Transcript: Episode 39: The Torment of Depression and How to Pray With Faith to Heal!
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:00)
How do I introduce you? Beady?
Beatty Carmichael (00:03)
I come into a line of seven generations of medical doctors with a really deep conviction for taking care of mankind and serving man. Things changed in my father’s generation. Medicine went from being a profession to managed care and then focused on profits more than service, on numbers more than quality.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:18)
Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (00:24)
So I did not go into medicine. went into business.
nine years ago, the Lord kind of reawakened that healing.
I live in Alabama. Born and raised here, my grandmother told me keep my chin in, enunciate correctly. hated the Southern drawl, so I don’t have a Southern some people claim it Midwestern and other people claim it slightly Southern, but they never can peg it am.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:56)
That’s
interesting because it’s somewhere in between. I know when I went back East with my family as a child, I was in junior high school, I think I was in seventh grade, and we were at a gift shop and my sisters and I were just talking about the cute the gift shop and someone stopped us and said, you have a Mesa accent. And we were like, excuse me? you’re the one with the accent. But the fact that she was able pinpoint exactly where we were from, like,
Beatty Carmichael (01:19)
You
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (01:24)
Mesa, Arizona, really? That was very impressive. I don’t think she was a linguist or anything,
Beatty Carmichael (01:31)
Accents really are funny. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen the show My Fair Lady, but, you know, linguist could pick exactly which part of London you’re even in, what part of England. I don’t know if it’s quite as common today because there’s so much mobility and people moving everywhere, but never really time to root in an accent for that locality because it’s now all homogenized. But yeah, that’s
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (01:35)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. One of my favorites.
Right.
Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (01:56)
came from a very legalistic church that would say, we need to go evangelize the Mormons and evangelize the Catholics because they’re all going to hell. And then as I grow, I go, No, you’re wrong. Our doctrine is not the totality of truth. You know, there’s a lot of other things that we got wrong and they get right. So
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (02:03)
Yeah.
And vice versa.
I was taught growing up our religion is the beacon of all truth. As I grow older, I’m like, like, if you go to the principle of it, it’s correct. But the way it’s being taught is a little distorted. And it’s not that it’s wrong. It’s just people.
Beatty Carmichael (02:16)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (02:27)
It’s like playing telephone all these people who interpret things in different ways and they all read the same scripture and based on their own experience and their own filters and what they were and then they teach it in a classroom. And so that ended up not being quite maybe as pure as scriptures itself or God’s word to you. And so I think when we go back to that, know, like taking everything we hear, everything we know, because there’s truth everywhere.
And love my faith, I love my religion, I believe there’s so much truth to it. But also lot of people in my faith who are very close-minded just can’t or won’t look outside of their little box. It’s scary, you know? And it’s important to, like even we have an article of faith that literally states anything that’s virtuous, lovely, good, report or praiseworthy that we seek after these things. That’s what we’re supposed to do. There’s truth everywhere.
That’s why I was excited to talk to you and I’m excited you reached out because really think it’s in alignment podcast and the faith based feel like a lot of people aren’t quite ready for it, but I think someday they will be.
Beatty Carmichael (03:30)
resume, A little bit about me. I was born, in Birmingham and my roots go back three generations in Birmingham. My ancestors actually laid out the grid of the city with Birmingham Realty and actually built the city.
But I come into a line of seven generations of medical doctors So these are scientists trying to understand healing and how to heal the human body with a really deep conviction for taking care of mankind and just serving man. Things changed in my father’s generation. Medicine went from being a profession to managed care focused on profits more than service, on numbers more than quality.
And so everything kind of spiraled down. So I did not go into medicine. I went into business. Then nine years ago, the Lord kind of reawakened that
call it a mantle. In the spiritual realm, you’ll find that there are a lot of things we don’t understand, but you’ll see these patterns like maybe one pattern is a dynasty of military generals, general after general after general.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:33)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (04:34)
You see the dynasty of the royals, right? King after king after king. In mine, it was healing after healing after healing. And so God awoke that mantle of healing back in me. But I took a different approach. was long past going to medical school and nothing to do with rigors of world that I saw today.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:56)
Yeah, they really
have less time to actually care for patients and it’s more legal paperwork. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (05:01)
That’s it. Yeah. Even
my brother-in-law is a fantastic doctor. He has a clinic. And even when we go see him, we see him for five or eight minutes and he’s boom off to the next patient. I’m He’ll see a hundred patients a day. you, service systematically as opposed to service deeply. My father-in-law is real interesting. He was also a doctor, but
when you went to see him, he would sit you down in the office and he would say, “Health is physical, mental and spiritual.” And he would talk to you about all three categories because that allowed him to identify what’s most likely going on and how to resolve it. Today, all physical. Run all these tests. Follow the science, right? And the science is not always accurate. It misses a lot.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:38)
Mm-hmm.
Well, don’t you
think that that kind of stems from the way that we’re schooling our kids that then grow up to be doctors because we’re less and less focused on the arts and the beauty and taking God out of schools, which a lot of people agree with. I don’t necessarily think that’s the way that the founding fathers wanted things to be. wanted to prevent the government from telling people that you had to be a certain religion. But
They actually wanted religious taught in schools just one religion but principles of religious faith to heal and different religions talking openly about their faith to heal. That’s good. That promotes tolerance promotes a love of each other and beauty and and instead we’re just taught Get all that out of here. We don’t want to fight about it; just be quiet and stand in line and do what you’re told and there’s not as much creativity. There’s not a much joy
in schooling anymore. I don’t feel like. And the first things to go are the music. Like as soon as they get cuts, you start cutting out the arts, which is the thing that makes us human and alive. AI can do all the rest of it. I mean, just to be frank, lost our humanity through that we school.
Beatty Carmichael (06:35)
It’s become much, yeah.
we’ve lost the humanity. Everything’s become sterile. Everything’s becomes monolithic, black and white. It’s either this or it’s, yeah. Well, we’re talking about depression on this. Right, you’re wondering, how do you overcome depression? Well, the first step is you stop following the science. You start following something else. But let me show you.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:54)
Which is depressing. Those are all depressing. And we wonder why we’re so depressed.
Not that you disregard
science, but that you take science to a higher power and say, how does this apply to me? Is this true? Is this partly true?
Beatty Carmichael (07:15)
Well, so I’m actually a scientist. I don’t disregard science, but I disregard human version of science when it gets to certain things let me share this. So human science says depression is primarily incurable, anxiety primarily incurable, ADHD primarily incurable, glaucoma absolutely incurable.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:31)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (07:39)
RSD, incurable. Rheumatoid arthritis, almost entirely incurable. And I see all these things disappear all the time. Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:47)
That’s what I was told. I was told
as a kid when put on Prozac that this is just how you are, it’s just part of makeup. a drug, you’ll take it for the rest of your life. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (07:54)
And now you’re going to be on drugs the rest your life. And so
if we believe that science, we’re going to live lives that are surrendered man’s wisdom of what’s best rather than God’s design of what he’s called us to do. And I took a different route when the Lord awakened me and the idea of healing, was toward miraculous healing, praying for people.
took me six months to the guts to actually go out and do it because the way I was raised, Jennifer, in my church, very legalistic church, said maybe God wants people sick. So you would pray, right, it’s just your lot in life.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (08:28)
Mm-hmm. This is just your lot in life. Endure to the end.
Beatty Carmichael (08:33)
So when they pray for healing, Lord, please heal this person if it be your will, because you might have brought sickness on him to teach him something. so when I started to want to pray for people, I said, I can’t pray for someone by faith unless I actually believed it was God’s will that they be So so I searched the scriptures, the ancient Bible texts for those who aren’t religious. This isn’t about religion. The ancient Bible texts speak a lot about
spiritual truths and laws that have nothing to do with religion. I think about this. Out of the ancient Bible texts you have, you have the Catholic Church, you have the Church Christ of Latter-day Saints, you have the Protestant Church, which that’s kind of a part of, you have Islam, and you have Jewish. You have all religions that seem to oppose each other in different areas.
I call them like a cesspool of doctrinal religions, because everyone thinks their religion is better, then they’re always looking down at this other person saying that religion’s crazy, because they don’t believe the way I do. So it doesn’t matter which religion you’re part of, which of those religious groups, they’re always pointing their fingers at other groups saying they’re wrong. And yet they’re all based off of ultimately,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (09:30)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
The same thing. ⁓
Beatty Carmichael (09:43)
the same scriptures, the same ancient
Bible texts. So it shows you just kind of how crazy man gets in reinterpreting things that maybe,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (09:52)
Well, it’s all about pride.
better than you.
Beatty Carmichael (09:55)
Yeah, that’s it. Pride comes before the fall and we’ve seen a lot of people fall because they become prideful thinking that they’re better. So that’s where I was. I was in one these legalistic churches eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, you’re sick because God’s punishing you type of thing. Yeah, you’re right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (10:09)
Now this is a good thing.
Would you go as far to say that that’s never true, that a sickness couldn’t be there as a learning I feel like it can be both.
Beatty Carmichael (10:20)
now we’re going to touch into the real truth of what’s happening. I find that almost everything we deal with is discipline to bring about correction, which therefore is learning, but it’s not punishment. Discipline is for correction. Punishment is for abandoning. I’m going to punish you and abandon you and rid of you. So let’s bring some context into this.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (10:33)
Right.
Beatty Carmichael (10:45)
Before I bring context, I want to share a couple of stories to lay the stage of what I’m seeing. This lady with rheumatoid arthritis had arthritis for 20 years and she asked me to pray for I prayed with her, and I guided her in prayer and her arthritis disappeared and it was completely gone. Four weeks later, she went to the doctor. The doctor rechecked her and she has no arthritis in her body. Another lady legally blind could not read.
And led her into eliminating a spiritual root of an unrepented sin. was unforgiveness. And as soon as she did, within two minutes, her eyes were 20-20 vision. Another lady…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:23)
So so
so just really quick to clarify because I think you touched on something kind of important that there can be Covenant curses associated with the things that we’re dealing with ancestral, okay
Beatty Carmichael (11:34)
I don’t want to call it curses. Yeah,
okay. So now there are curses. So ultimately most people will say if they have any sort of religious that there was a fall. Adam was made perfect. He fell and everything we suffer is because of the fall.
if we’re born in sin, Romans 6:23, for all have sinned and short of the glory of God, then we’re all born there because of our ancestor Adam. And it’s a curse that has gone throughout the eons with all humankind.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:54)
Mm-hmm.
but there’s an article of faith that says that it’s our own transgressions. yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (12:10)
Yes, it is our own transgression.
these are your own transgressions but there’s something behind the scene that’s driving the what I’m finding is when that transgression occurs, whether it’s something you did,
or something an ancestor did, then you nullify that transgression, that you’re dealing with, I call them torments because they’re not, it’s not life of abundance, it’s life of And so that torment leaves. But when you get down and start peeling back the onion of what’s happening in the spiritual realm, once you start to see the pattern in the spiritual realm, then everything starts to make sense. When you don’t look at the spiritual realm or you look at it
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (12:31)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (12:50)
vaguely, nothing makes sense. But as you go through ancient Bible texts, you see one thing very, very clear. I did a study on this. What happened with me is year period of time, two close friends and one acquaintance both lost a loved one through cancer. And they were all pastors. Each of these three men were pastors.
So they came to the conclusion based on a passage in the Bible, it’s 1 John 5 that says, If you pray according to my will, then I promise to hear you and I’ll answer that which is prayed according to my will. So they prayed for healing and for life for their loved one and their loved one died. So the conclusion is it must have been God’s will. Because that’s what the Bible But what’s happening
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:34)
Mm.
Beatty Carmichael (13:37)
sometimes there are nuances to what’s going on that we don’t really understand it too black and white without really looking at the totality of scripture is talking about. But when you look at the totality of scripture, I started going back and said, what is the cause of sickness and infirmity? I mean, these people died of cancer and young.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:57)
and probably very good people.
Beatty Carmichael (13:58)
Good people and they were all relatively the oldest I think. So you say, well, why? And they had hundreds and thousands of people praying for them and they still died. So it must have been God’s will, that’s their conclusion. But I said, no, no, no, no. I’ve been dealing in this spiritual realm for a while.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:03)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (14:18)
was praying for people and 90% of them were getting healed. ears, legally blind eyes, all kinds of pain like sciatica pain, rheumatoid arthritis, and fibromyalgia, and lupus, and degenerative discs, RSD, post-operative wounds, just healing instantly, all kinds of things. The things that we would see in the book of Acts, everything but raising the dead.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:21)
That’s pretty good odds.
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (14:41)
also started casting out demons. You mentioned demons at the beginning of show. demons. They’re answering back because they’re forced to answer in of Christ and then casting them out and understanding what’s going on in this realm. And when these pastors said it must have been God’s will, I knew they were wrong because I’ve seen so much. And so I went back and did a study.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:44)
Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (15:06)
a Bible teacher by passion and at the time I was doing this really in-depth Bible study, lesson wanted to do a series on infirmity and the will of God. Is it really God’s will for someone to be sick? So I went through the Bible and looked at every passage I could find where someone was sick in some form of infirmity and defined a reason why they were sick,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:09)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (15:32)
I wanted to understand what the Bible said about sickness. 100% of the reasons I found was sin.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:35)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (15:40)
because it said that because this person did then this happened. me off the top.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:46)
So it’s a choice
and it doesn’t even, I think it doesn’t even have to be like something. It could be a thought that they had, in, It’s a side, deciding something or judging or not forgiving and those things.
Beatty Carmichael (15:53)
Yeah, yeah, your thought. So keep in mind.
Right,
When God created us, he put a conscience in us and this conscience is in the spiritual realm and when we do something bad, our conscience convicts us that we just did something wrong. Does that make sense? Yeah, we all have it and that conscience is where God writes good and bad
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:11)
Body keeps the score.
Beatty Carmichael (16:20)
into our conscience. So even if we don’t really think that we know Him or even believe in Him, in the early stages of our life we have to guide us. the whole, It’s…. Right. right, definitely not there to make us miserable. But we violate our conscience there is discipline. Watch this. I have three children, they’re all grown adults now, but when they were little, if a I would discipline him,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:29)
a gift. It’s not there to make us miserable or to punish us.
Beatty Carmichael (16:45)
put him in time out, take away a privilege. I would do something uncomfortable and it was done out of love because I was training him how to grow up into a good adult. And in the same way, God does this with how we go through. You see in Psalm 32, David says that when I refuse to confess my sin and just own up to it and say I’m sorry,
my body wasted away, my bones ached, and I had no couldn’t even get out of bed. And then he says, I confess my sin and God healed me. And you see this pattern.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (17:20)
Would you say it’s
hard for some people to even identify the sin? Like they don’t even know what they’ve done wrong.
Beatty Carmichael (17:26)
Yes,
yes. And that’s the all of this. Most of us, don’t even, see the first step, watch this. I remember years back a friend of mine wrote a book that said, questions are the answers. Meaning, if you have a problem in life, the most important thing you can do is ask the right question to get to the source of the problem. Does that make sense? we’re usually asking questions are physical in nature. I have this depression.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (17:46)
Yes. Bingo. Bingo.
Or why me?
Beatty Carmichael (17:55)
Right. Yeah. Why
me? You know, just complaining. But if you start to ask the right question, then you start to uncover the actual source of the problem. And once you uncover the source of the problem, everything disappears. Like, Real quickly, I mean, this just happened a few minutes ago. I just came off of another show and it was all about your journey in life.
And I wanted to explain how this thing worked. I asked this guy, do you have anything that you can measure like anxiety or depression or glaucoma or pain or anything like that? He said, yes, I have extreme anxiety and depression. a scale of zero to 10, he said it was a seven or eight. I said, how long have you had? He said, since he’s 15, he’s 42 years old now. In three minutes, it’s all gone.
led him through this process and it all disappeared. First time he’s been out of anxiety and depression, since age 15. happened is because I could uncover the root of the issue, it just disappeared because if you think about these things in our call them torments, anything that’s negative in your life, whether it’s
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (18:54)
Hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (19:08)
Constant failure in relationships or depression like on this show. If you look at that as a weed in your grass yard, your yard is beautiful except you got all these little weeds. You can mow the lawn and try to cover over them with drugs and therapy and it will suppress them. But the weeds are still there, your is not beautiful. You have to go get rid of the roots. Once you get rid of the roots of those weeds, the weeds are completely gone.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (19:31)
Hmm.
On another level, know that if you nurture the grass, if it’s a healthy, vibrant, living soil, the weeds just don’t grow anymore. That’s a true principle.
Beatty Carmichael (19:46)
I need you,
I need that grass over here because we fertilize it, those weeds get that fertilizer and just, you know.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (19:49)
You
⁓ It’s more
like a, it takes about four years. basically put wood chips, like the wood in the forest when they just fall and you leave it there and keep it wet. And four years later, you’ll have this rich living soil with all of this living bacteria. It’s like a network. like a city down there. Most of our, ground is dead because of the tillage and the chemicals used on
nothing living in it except for maybe parasites and like things that we don’t want in our soil. And that’s why we’re constantly fertilizing it to mask the problem. But when you have that living soil, weeds literally do not grow. grow somewhere else. And the grass and all the things you want will just grow spontaneously.
Beatty Carmichael (20:28)
You know, there’s a spirit.
There’s a spiritual parallel to that. Romans 12 says, Renew your mind. And the way you renew your mind inundate it focus on the Word of God. And as you do that, it’s like those wood chips. It’s living. It’s a living, breathing entity, God’s Word, when the Holy Spirit comes in and supernaturally.
fertilizes being. And as you do that, you’ll find that most of these things go away naturally, because now you’re doing the things that God wants you to do, which is simply to turn from those things that are against the standards.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (20:57)
Mm-hmm.
I want to say that the it’s just grossly misunderstood how it works. what you’re talking about I think what you were talking about stop making judgments, that God’s will is for someone to die and assume rather will to live. And just have that kind of faith and see what happens.
Beatty Carmichael (21:10)
I still don’t know how works.
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:23)
But if you’re not even willing to believe, because I think when you believe enough, God’s willing to even possibly change his mind. Like this person maybe was going to die, but your faith is so strong. well, let’s give them some more time. I personally believe not, I’m sure some would disagree with me, but I think that agency is everything and that We can literally change the course of our lives and impact others.
in ways that might not have seemed possible there was a plan over here and then you’re saying, Well, can I be an intercessor? And God might say yes. He might say no, but He might say yes.
Beatty Carmichael (22:00)
Yeah, a pastor named Robert and his adult son was a youth minister in another state. Son’s name was Adam. And went really nasty divorce. He went spiraling down in deep manic depression. And it was so bad he wouldn’t even leave his house for two years. So he’s lost his job. Everything’s just destroyed in his life. And his father, Robert, the pastor,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:16)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (22:27)
On his knees in prayer every single day praying and interceding for Adam and in two years absolutely no change so think about this you have a pastor who’s supposed to know God’s Word more than most everyone else doing everything he knows and nothing’s happening and then Well, so I’m going to tell you I’m I’m about to yes, so let me tell you what changed
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:48)
So what, why? So what’s the difference? That’s the, yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (22:55)
It’s the same thing that changed on this show I just did when this anxiety and depression instantly left. So Robert was having his quiet time alone with the Lord and God told him, Robert, bring your son Adam into my courtroom. said, what do you mean? He said, bring him into my courtroom. So Robert, closed his eyes and imagined walking into courtroom of God in heaven.
with his son Adam. He says, okay, we’re here. And then God said, now repent on Adam’s behalf.
So Robert repented on everything he could think of that was probably an unrepented sin on Adam’s behalf, like unforgiveness, bitterness, anger, hurt, resentment, abandonment, rage, and just
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:41)
Hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (23:47)
manner of different things and by the way all these are thought issues right thought sense are how
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:52)
Right. Because so many
people think, I’m a good person. I haven’t sinned to the degree that I should be this sick, but some of those emotions, they’re so low vibrating, they can eat you up.
Beatty Carmichael (24:03)
Yeah, some of those emotions.
Yeah,
and I’ll come back to that, but that’s what he did. And Robert said it took about 15 minutes and he just felt in his heart everything was done. So he went on his day. 10 days later, he gets a phone call from Adam. Dad, it’s Adam. You wouldn’t believe it. 10 days ago, my depression instantly left. this. This is the point I want to make.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (24:15)
Hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (24:30)
It’s not just praying and interceding. you’re dealing with a legal issue, which is what these torments are, then you have to handle it in a legal process. And, right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (24:41)
Yeah, and that’s what I mean by intercession. Like, That’s
literally how I do it. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (24:46)
Good, that’s what you’re doing. Yeah, because
in my church intercession is you got this list of people to pray for, Lord be with so and so, help so and so, heal this person and, right, okay good. Yeah, right, right, take it away.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (24:55)
No, it’s very specific. It’s take this away from so-and-so or me and go
and write to the dark stuff. You know, like get rid of this and then asking light to replace it. So.
Beatty Carmichael (25:07)
Yeah,
that’s it. So my terminology and yours are pointing to the same thing. We just use slightly different words. ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:14)
Yeah, we don’t even, I don’t
think we usually use that term in the Mormon faith much at all. So it’s in the scriptures, but.
Beatty Carmichael (25:18)
Yeah, well, it’s just,
yeah, it’s in the scripture. So I use it textbook for understanding these spiritual laws, and I keep going back saying these are spiritual laws and not religion the audience, because I don’t want people to misunderstand what I’m saying. Religion is opinion and your belief system. And based on your opinion and belief system, something may or may not work.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:34)
Mm-hmm.
It’s a practice and it’s a community.
Beatty Carmichael (25:43)
But a law, it’s a practice.
But a law is fact.
So I’ll announce what I’m doing for our audio listeners, but I’ve got my pen and I’m holding it up. And when I let go of my pen, it drops into my palm. And every time I hold my pen up and let go of it, it’s going to drop. And Jennifer, if you held your pen up and did the same thing, it would drop. So this is what’s called empirical data. This is a physical science. By observing the outcome of the same action,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:52)
Thank you.
Beatty Carmichael (26:14)
I can conclude there is a law, we’re gonna call it gravity, and it works whether you or I believe it or not because a law is not based on opinions. So I’ve started to take this same process on the spiritual side of healing. And what that process is, is take people through the same process of how do you address the spiritual root that’s at the base of these issues, and regardless of their belief,
they have a religious belief or not, simply by going through that process, I see the same result. And so empirically, I can say that this is a law and has nothing to do with your belief system, has nothing to do with your religion or your faith. It simply has to do with you do the same activity, you get the same result. And the good news with all of that is for those who are not religious, you may just be spiritual, but whatever
Religion you may have grown up with event any maybe ⁓ You really got fed up with it. They hurt you and so you kind of pushed it away…. This isn’t going back into religion. This is simply Going into the spiritual laws and where I’ve learned the spiritual laws The truths of them are in the ancient Bible text and so the lot of the verbiage that I use comes from the text but is
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (27:17)
Mm-hmm.
Can you describe
what ancient Bible text is for those who don’t understand what that means? It’s not the Bible as we have it today. Is it something different?
Beatty Carmichael (27:41)
Well, it’s so
the Bible we have today is rooted in the ancient texts that were written thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. These texts are actually from a historical standpoint, the original source, whether it’s in Hebrew or Greek, depending on which parts you’re looking at.
go back so many thousands of years and scientifically proven to be the most accurate of any of the ancient texts because they’re so voluminous and so many copies that you can date back three thousand four thousand years ago and they’re saying the same thing so you can say that those texts is what was written many thousands of years ago. The Bible today is the
English or Spanish or whatever translation you have directly from those texts. So I’m looking at the Bible based on those ancient texts not so much on the opinions and the faith based aspect but on the spiritual aspect of the laws that it says and it says if you sin against God He’ll allow disaster and sickness to come upon you and then you see
says to a man that was lame for 38 years “Go and sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you.” And then in James 5:16, it says, if you want to be healed,
confess your sins, dot, dot, and you shall be healed. In other words, it and sin is the word in the ancient text that connotates we did something against God’s standard. So it doesn’t have to be something big, like that lady with rheumatoid arthritis and it disappeared. All she did forgave her sister from something she did 20 years ago.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:27)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (29:28)
the
woman with the blind eyes, she couldn’t read a book. All she did is forgave her boyfriend beaten her abused her.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:36)
In these situations, does the prayer make easier to do that? Because I know that forgiveness isn’t always that instantaneous for some people. It’s like, can’t. I don’t know how to. I’ve heard that before. I’m just not ready. I wish I could, but I don’t know how.
Beatty Carmichael (29:38)
Yeah. Yeah.
does. So the way the book works is let me share my story so that the book makes sense. I was out there for five and a half years praying for people. 90% of everyone I pray for instantly healed. And when I say instant, I’m talking about literally within a couple of minutes, whatever the issue was, they no longer had the issue. Like I remember one guy with double hernia, he couldn’t even pick up of stuff.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:56)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (30:13)
after praying for him, he’s lifting up bicycles over his head. It’s just like, yeah, I mean, just totally healed. then within two weeks, three years ago, I was praying for people and it went from 90% down to almost nothing. I mean, I was astounded. Like, I lost it. Yeah, I went to God and said, What just happened? God said, I took away your gift of healing. And I said, why?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:16)
Whee!
Hmm. What just happened? Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (30:36)
He said, because now I want you to learn how to do it through authority. See, the gift of healing was a supernatural gift where I prayed, God healed. But authority is where you take the legal right away from a spirit.
healing folks,
energy source, light or darkness vibration or spirit. We’re all talking about the identical And I’ve identified that there are three types of spirits that come involved. And when we violate God’s standard in any capacity, it opens up a doorway potentially for one of these spirits to come in.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:59)
Yeah, same thing.
Beatty Carmichael (31:16)
And the most common one is what I call an amplifying spirit. An amplifying spirit simply amplifies what we just did. So If I became really afraid, this happens a lot of times like with trauma, I become really afraid. So now a spirit of fear comes in fear. And so I’m always fear and I’m always anxious. I can move into panic attacks. blow up in anger with someone, then a spirit of anger can come in.
and I’m always angry. If I start of some sort, then a spirit of can come in and amplify the urge for those drugs. And now I can’t…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:50)
And would you say that
every time that we do it again, it invites more and more? Or it strengthens the one that’s there? Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (31:55)
It either invites more or it strengthens the one that’s there. Yeah.
When I do deliverance, it’s real interesting. Can I speak a little bit about deliverance? This is going to get a little weird, but it answers your question. so the way deliverance works the third type of spirit is, an actual person. It’s you think about you and me, we have a soul and our soul is who we are. It’s our mind, will, emotions, personality, things of that sort.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:04)
Go ahead you be you be open and honest
Beatty Carmichael (32:21)
But then we have this human body that we see. And so we normally think of person based on person, but the real person is behind the scenes in the spiritual world. So a demon spirit is just a person without a body and he wants to be in a body. And so when he takes over that body, what he’s doing, he’s living out his evil urges. And so the works is you
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:37)
great.
Beatty Carmichael (32:46)
interrogate these things. So it’s basically four steps and I would ask the Holy Spirit to bring up the first demon spirit that he wants me to address with this demon and that demon will identify itself. Like one guy his name is Seth I said Seth what is your role? Seth’s role in this particular case this was a 32 year old Christian he was all depressed he was in despair,
constantly getting fired from jobs. And Seth said his role was the gatekeeper. And the gatekeeper is the one that opens the gate to allow more spirits in. And I said, what is your legal right? So when God told me to heal through authority, he was talking about this thing called a legal I asked Seth, what is your legal right? And Seth said, Josh played with the Ouija board at seven years old. So I asked Josh, that was the opening.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:34)
Mmm, and so that’s the opening.
Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (33:38)
And then that’s the second step, finding the legal right. And the legal right, Jennifer, is 100% of the time an unrepented sin. Nothing else. It’s always an unrepented sin. So then I got Josh to simply say, I repent of playing with the Ouija board at seven years old. And at that point, I can now cast Seth out. So the spirit goes out when you remove the legal right.
There’s a passage in the Bible, it’s Revelation 12, and it says that Satan is the accuser of the brethren. That’s his role, to accuse. And to accuse means convict or accuse of breaking the law. So if you think about a human court, you have a judge and you have a prosecuting attorney who accuses you, the defendant, of breaking the law.
And if you don’t well defend yourself, then the judge is going to make a ruling based on the evidence presented and the judgment is against you. Your judgment is you go to prison, a form of So that’s the same thing actually happening in the spiritual realm. When we violate a standard of God, then we are accused of violating it. And if we don’t confess it, then there is a torment that comes involved. In fact, A real story,
One of my sons when he was late teens, God took him up into the courtroom in heaven and said, I want to show you something. His name is Beatty Jr. And Beatty says up on his right was this dais and there’s Father God sitting there as a judge. And on his left was a demon spirit accusing him of sins. And I stopped him I said, well, hold on. My understanding is that demons always lie.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (35:25)
Hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (35:26)
that they
never tell the truth. I said, were these real sins? He said, yes, they lie to you and me, but they never lie to God. So what was happening is that demon spirit, yeah, that it is true. ⁓ That demon spirit was the prosecuting attorney, accusing my son of sins. Because if my son has sins, then there is discipline that’s going to be applied towards those sins to correct us from sinning. That’s the concept.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (35:35)
that’s interesting. I’ve never heard that but it’s so true. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (35:56)
And then the Lord said, plead the blood of Jesus. So my son said, God, I plead the blood of Jesus and instantly that demon spirit disappeared. Why? Because the Bible says that the blood of Jesus washes away sins, but we have to apply and appropriate into that sin. That’s what the word repentance in a very kind of technical legal process the heavenly realm. I say I repent,
Whether I’m a Christian or or an atheist doesn’t matter when you say I repent. It literally takes what Jesus did and wipes away that sin so that you can no longer be accused of it. And when you remove the accusation, you remove the legal right. So now that spirit that’s amplifying depression in your life or amplifying addiction in your life or amplifying pain or
or any sort of destructive behavior. When you get the legal right out, you can get the spirit out and you’re instantly healed. That’s the simple process of how this works. And then as I started to approach from this legal rights standpoint, this authority that God told me, I just started leading people into, well, have you had sex outside of marriage? Do you have unforgiveness or anyone?
Have you ever played or dabbled with the occult? Those are the three big ones, identified 18 different categories. But just by going through those three categories, I started seeing more significant healings than I’d ever seen with my gift. Then I started to systematize this and I wrote a book about it called The Prayer of Freedom. And as I started to teach at this addiction recovery center, one of the largest ones in America.
How is this over? Yeah, it’s wonderful. ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:39)
God bless you. my goodness. We need that in the addiction
recovery centers. There’s such low rate success and there’s a reason for that.
Beatty Carmichael (37:46)
success. Yeah,
right, there is. There’s a low rate of success because trying to do it right but they don’t understand the fully spiritual
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:57)
will
say that when my world bigger, when I started seeing the spiritual realm the way it is, at least, you know, in small, it’s incremental, you start to see it, right? It’s not necessarily like, boom, I can see it all. But when you start to see it, that’s when things really started to change for me. I saw how important, like the spiritual warfare, it’s real. It is real.
Beatty Carmichael (38:17)
how it works. Yeah.
Right,
is so real and when you learn the rules, like when I would teach this, I would ask people, imagine that you’re convicted of a crime in a foreign country that you can’t speak the language and now you’re in the courtroom and you’re being accused of breaking the law, you don’t even know the language, you don’t know the law and you’re defending yourself. How likely are you to win? Zero, right, yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:43)
not good at all. No. And
I think that’s where a lot of us poor folks are. Like, we just don’t quite understand how this works. And I’m sure there’s a reason for that. It’s like trying to figure out a mystery, right? It’s making us humble and seek the Lord. And what are the answers? You went to God. You said, how do I do this? I want to understand. You studied the text.
Beatty Carmichael (38:56)
Well, it is, but,
But watch this, if you knew the language and you knew the law, you can defend yourself and win. that’s all did now most people don’t study like I love to study and learn. And we can, we can, yep. And that’s the whole idea. And so when I started to teach at the Addiction Recovery Center and leading these women through this, see the very clear pattern.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (39:13)
Mm-hmm.
but we can learn from others like you.
Beatty Carmichael (39:31)
I started to define these 18 different categories of where God’s standards, what God calls a sin, where they occur and how to reverse them. And so then when I wrote my book, the first half of the book is simply explaining how it works and why. The second half is simply a worksheet. This is what’s so cool whole process because you don’t have to really understand it. In my class at the Addiction Recovery Center,
I simply give the ladies my book and I make space for them to do the worksheet in the back. These 18 different categories. It takes maybe an hour to three hours depending on how many issues they’ve had over their lives. And then there’s a simple prayer process to simply from a legal process say, I repented this, I break off this, I renounce that, whatever the legal word is that is going on.
out of every 20 women who come through my class, nearly 18 of them leave completely free of all the addictions that they’ve been suffering with, all of their chronic pains, all of their mental illnesses, all their emotional wounds, relationship conflicts clearing up, their darkness in the head and the voices in the head, all that leaves.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:45)
Hmm,
those voices, man. I suffered from depression, it was constant. I would wake up in the morning was going and then I, would go through that the whole day and it would not be quiet. had almost forgotten about that symptom until recently. I had kind of a traumatic event occur that sent me in that kind of that spiral for about a day. And it’s been like 10, 15 years since I felt that. And prayed for a solution.
Beatty Carmichael (40:52)
It was going.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (41:09)
And was given an answer went away, but, Yeah, I forgotten about this. The racing thoughts that will not be quiet. It’s I
Beatty Carmichael (41:17)
me
share a story. So one of these ladies, as we’re talking about things in your head and all this stuff, her name is Ashley. She had been abused and men at age four and five. She was abandoned and she had all kinds of heavy mental illnesses. She was at the recovery center. She was on 400 milligrams a day of Seroquel.
200 in the morning 200 in the afternoon just to calm; it’s a sleep medicine. was on boost barone I think that’s how you pronounce it and depression and anxiety personality disorder She had bipolar one and two. She went through this and she said literally prayed this one day and I woke up the next morning completely free everything calm. No fear
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (41:44)
And that is… Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (42:08)
No anxiety, no depression. She went to the psychiatrist there at the facility and the psychiatrist said, well, if you feel great, you don’t need to be on your meds. mean, literally cold turkey stopped at all because it all left because they were all spirits. It just all left.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:19)
Yeah.
Have you found that it
lasts for most people or that some people end up back to where they were?
Beatty Carmichael (42:27)
No,
in mind, if you open a door to a legal right, the spirit can return. like I break my arm in two, right, and now the sets my arm in at heals. I can go break it again if I’m not careful. find to…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:34)
You’re gonna go sin no more.
And I think the key
too is that you don’t have the desire to you’re not going to go out and purposely break your arm again.
Beatty Carmichael (42:46)
Right,
now that you know, you see what happens a lot of times, because we don’t know what’s going on, then we end up constantly doing these things our problems worse. Once you understand what’s going on, then when you get free of it, you know what not to do. And this is the whole idea of discipline. learning experience? Yes. With our children, we discipline them and they learn what not to do.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (43:03)
Mm.
Beatty Carmichael (43:12)
and they grow and right. And when we go through this process, we learn that this is a form of discipline. In my book, I call these spirits, spirits of discipline because they disappear once you confess that you were wrong, which is all God wants us to do. Yeah, once you learn the lesson and confess it. And so now once you learn the lesson, you’re less likely to fall back into it. And that’s why, the recidivism rate,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (43:28)
once you learned the lesson. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (43:38)
of people who’ve gone through this. haven’t scientifically tracked it, but anecdotally it’s like almost zero because they now understand it. And so they don’t go back into that.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (43:49)
That’s so cool. Yeah, this is in alignment with everything that believe like with some little adjustments, but basically this is it. This is it. Like if you’re listening and you’re kind of thinking, this is really far-fetched, this is can tell you that when I started on this journey, this did seem far-fetched to me. And it took me a while to get to the point where I could type of…
Beatty Carmichael (43:56)
It’s the same thing. Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:13)
belief system and healing myself, but once you get there, everything changes.
Beatty Carmichael (44:18)
remember I was doing this one show, it was a husband and wife team hosting it. And she was asking, well, what about the skeptics, Beatty, who don’t believe it?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:25)
Yeah.
just stubbed my toe. This is just a part of life, right? It’s not spiritual.
Beatty Carmichael (44:28)
well, I’ve never.
right, it has nothing to do spiritually.
so I tell I love skeptics because they don’t remain a skeptic if they go through the process. And I have, a real simple process I use to demonstrate It’s more of what I call temporary, but it demonstrates the power of this thing. When you do the full thing in my book, the Prayer of Freedom book, then it’s permanent.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:40)
Yeah, Just the willingness to do it.
Beatty Carmichael (44:54)
But I say, I just demonstrate simple process? And Josh, yeah, I’ll do it with you. I’ve got this in my hips and my knees that I’ve had for over 10 years and it just won’t leave. I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and God still hasn’t healed it. I said, okay, cool. Well, he’ll heal it right now, I bet. So I led him into these three simple steps and in
five minutes, all the pain was gone. all gone. It went from, I think it was like a six or seven, and it was totally to a zero. He couldn’t find it at all. And it just power of this because when someone is skeptical and they simply do it, because he didn’t believe it, right? He was skeptical. He tried everything and nothing worked. Then he goes, this process, and all of sudden it works. So I love the skeptics
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (45:28)
It’s amazing.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Why then, 10 % that doesn’t work? What do you feel is interfering with them healing?
Beatty Carmichael (45:53)
So I don’t would correlate it to when I first started praying for people, only one third of them were instantly healed. And then as I pressed in and learned more about the spiritual side of things, it was 90%. And even with this book, it tends to be about 90%. And I, mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is no mentor. I mean, most people doing this, I don’t mentor them in the book. They’re in my class.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (46:09)
even when you’re doing it just yourself without a mentor, okay?
Yeah, it’s God, right?
Beatty Carmichael (46:21)
and I just give them time to do their own list and then do their own prayer process and then they get healed because God heals them because they did what God said. But I have some theories and sometimes some of these issues are not spiritual rooted, right? See a spiritual root of pain will look and feel very similar to a physical root of pain. I’ll give you an
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (46:46)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (46:48)
A lot of times I’ll pull the ligaments and it just really hurts. And recently I’d done something and I couldn’t even grab a glass of water without it hurting. And I was disappointed because I like to exercise and I couldn’t even lift my weights. And I said, Lord, I wonder if this has a spiritual root. So I’m gonna try this process. Is there anything that I need to repent of or someone I need to forgive that’s tied to this? And instantly what came to mind was something my grandmother did.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (46:57)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (47:14)
when I was seven years old and my response. hurt me. So I forgave my grandmother right there. She’s already dead, but I forgive her and I break all unholy soul ties there. And the next morning I woke up and my thumb was completely healed. Now normally it takes six weeks for pulled ligaments to heal. This was only four days later. But then I pulled my thumb again and it’s sore, So I go through the same process and nothing changes. So I have to assume that the first one was a spiritual root.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:31)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (47:42)
The second one was simply a physical issue. It could have been, but it’s something that this process didn’t work very clearly on. So I’m not sure why that 10% is still there, but you know, 90 % success rate is pretty darn amazing. Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:45)
or possibly an emotion or something.
Mm-hmm.
It’s pretty phenomenal. Yeah. No, I was just curious if you’d been
given any inspiration as to that.
Beatty Carmichael (48:05)
I’ve got some stuff I’m still pressing in
God had given a prophecy to me from a total stranger five or six years ago, that I was going to teach on healing in ways that had never been taught before. And I’d be going to cancer hospitals, inferring that people were going to be getting rid of cancer as well. So my guess is God’s still going to show me a few more things. We’re going to get down deeper into this stuff,
and more people are going to see even more healing.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:30)
venture to say my theory would be that some of them just aren’t ready to let it go. And that maybe the work has been done that they’ll accept it later, or maybe not.
Beatty Carmichael (48:40)
It could very well be.
That’s one of those things I’m still exploring. So far, I find the people who go through the book want to get rid of it. And it was really interesting I ask people, do you have unforgiveness towards someone? It’s usually someone that’s hurt them many years back that they’ve never been willing to forgive. But now that their own pain is on the line,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:49)
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (49:05)
they’re pretty quick to be willing to forgive. It’s like, I’m not going to forgive him as long as it doesn’t bother me, but now once it could maybe help me, I’ll forgive quickly, right? I’ll release him. so it’s really, yeah, yeah, it’s that being, what’s in it for me? there is something in it for me, okay, then maybe I will forgive. So.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:07)
Like… Yeah.
Yeah. That understanding. Bing! Or just, why am
I holding on to this? This is stupid. You know, why am I letting them hurt me every day the rest of my life? know, I let them hurt me once. Why am I letting them hurt me every second of every day? Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (49:28)
Yeah, by the time they…
Yeah,
by the time they forgive, they probably go back and say, boy, I wish I’d done that a
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:45)
they can be the one that is the example for everybody else. Don’t do that. There’s no reason for you to hurt any one more day real. I mean, it really comes down to that moment of decision that I’m done with this. And I’ve talked about that in previous podcasts. And for some people it is immediate. And it sounds like this book or this process could do that for a lot of Or it can be…
Beatty Carmichael (49:49)
That’s right, that’s right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:07)
more of a process. I think for me there were instantaneous healing moments and then process healing.
Beatty Carmichael (50:09)
Yes.
Yeah, so
here’s what I’ve seen. ⁓ Almost everything is so have the little things, are little for me in terms of what I see. pain, arthritis, fibromyalgia, depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, addictions, all of those things are kind of the little things because they have direct route and it’s pretty easy to get rid of it. Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:34)
Pretty simple.
Beatty Carmichael (50:36)
Then sleep apnea for one guy took about a week. Obstructive sleep apnea with a CPAP machine. He gave the CPAP machine away to a friend because he no longer needed diabetes took, I think it was four months maybe because it had a lot more to work out. A friend of mine with ADHD, he was on 70 milligrams of whatever the ADHD stuff is and I guess that’s a lot because he was saying, yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (51:00)
Yeah, we’re at a Linn or something. I don’t know.
Beatty Carmichael (51:02)
And he’s finally gotten off of that. That’s been about four or five months. It’s been a progressive thing. He’s gotten off all of his meds. He was under depression, anxiety, ADHD, and now his brain is clear. But for him, that was a process. Some of the meds came off quickly. Other things came off more slowly. But then all the personal issues that he had, up in anger, his hands were just constantly shaking all the time, little things. All that just instantly stopped. So there are some things that
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (51:12)
Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (51:30)
take longer, but most things I would say within 24 hours is completely gone. It really is.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (51:37)
That’s so cool. I
am so glad I had you on today. Thank you for reaching out and your knowledge humbled and honored and just thrilled that you’re here and I’m thrilled that I got to meet you.
Beatty Carmichael (51:48)
Remember the words you say and how you defend yourself is very important because process is important in this realm. So.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (51:54)
Mm, yeah. And you
know in legal anything that the words are extremely important. If you miss a word, someone can get around it and, they do it all the time. Well, it doesn’t say this, it says it if you miss that, so we’re gonna move around it this way. Clever. Yes, which is why we have to rely on and Christ and
Beatty Carmichael (52:04)
Right. ⁓
And these spirits are very legalistic and they know the law better than you and I. ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (52:18)
and our angels to help us to understand the law, know what to do, know what to say, know where to go. My listeners, if when you are ready, when you are ready to heal, it’s very quick. Lord will send who you need the answers that will help you. It happens very fast. You just have to be willing, willing to read the book, willing to say the prayer, willing to accept the help that comes. It will come. Just believe a little bit.
and that decision that I’m done.
Beatty Carmichael (52:45)
now,
Before I leave, let me direct your listeners where to get the book if they want to. So the book’s name is called The Prayer of Freedom, but if you were to type that in in Amazon or Google, it’s going to come up so many places you just won’t find it. So add the word book at the end of the title, theprayerfreedombook.com. Okay, theprayerfreedombook.com.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (52:50)
Absolutely.
Mm.
Beatty Carmichael (53:09)
It’s the site set up for the book and there’s a link to go straight to Amazon, right to the correct book and you can get it. It’s a short book, but most importantly is the second half where you have the worksheet. If you can paint by numbers, you can be healed by this process because you don’t have to understand it. You don’t have to believe it. If you simply do it, it works. And then my little cheesy part, right? Cause I’m a marketer by passion.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (53:15)
Mm-hmm.
Beatty Carmichael (53:37)
Amazon gives you 30 days to read the book and send it back if you don’t like it. So if it doesn’t work, you can send it back and get your money back. Money back guaranteed,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (53:47)
take a little bit of your time. It’s not super long. How many pages is it?
Beatty Carmichael (53:51)
It’s right about 200.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (53:53)
Okay, that’s not super short,
Beatty Carmichael (53:54)
So the first half is just talking about what it is. The last part is a lot of things, how to stay healed once you’ve been healed. But you just want to get healed, go straight to the back part. It’ll take you a couple hours and you’ll be done. And it’s really cool, really quick. Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (53:58)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Ta-da!
I love it. Well, thank again so much for coming on today. I appreciate you. I appreciate your work. I appreciate your faith. I love meeting like-minded individuals in a world that’s kind of crazy right now and has forgotten these principles that really, truly work. And I hope we can be a reminder to those of all faiths, including agnostic and atheist, that
There is hope, there is healing. be willing to let the help come. by prayer of this is the Overcome Depression podcast. I am Jennifer we’re talking to Beaty Carmichael. We’ll see you next time.
Beatty Carmichael (54:40)
Amen.
love it.
Be blessed, bye bye.
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