Sleep and depression are closely linked—your bed, the pills you take, dreams you process, your habits, and environment can deeply impact your mental health. In this powerful podcast episode, Jennifer and John explore the essential connection between sleep and emotional well-being, offering practical advice to help you improve both. They discuss how poor sleep can worsen depression and how small lifestyle changes can help you overcome depression naturally. Whether you’re struggling with restlessness, low energy, or mood issues, this episode will empower you to reclaim your sleep and prioritize your mental health. Discover simple, holistic strategies to sleep better and overcome depression—starting today.
Listen to this Episode of the Overcome Depression Podcast and Learn:
- Why your bed and sleep environment matter more than you think
- How to avoid harmful chemicals that disrupt sleep and mood
- The science-backed benefits of getting natural sunlight within 30 minutes of waking up
- The role of nutrition and natural remedies like apple cider vinegar
- How to listen to your body and support healthy sleep cycles
- Why it’s so important to get to bed before 11 PM
- Actionable tips to improve your sleep quality
Tips for Better Sleep and Better Mental Health
When I was depressed, I overworked and underslept. I now know how SACRED sleep is to my body, and I don’t take that responsibility lightly. Yes…the responsibility to be present, disciplined, and rested so that I can REALLY be there for the people in my life and the work God wants me to do. When I’m sleep deprived, I’m NOT okay. And I’m not willing to take stimulants (like coffee or sugar or energy drinks) to steal time from tomorrow just so I can survive today.
So…sleep tips I’ve learned:
1. Buy and use a 100% organic pillow and pillow case.
2. Buy and use organic sheets and blankets.
3. If possible, buy a 100% organic mattress.
4. Get charcoal bags and a waterproof organic wool cover sheet if you can’t afford to replace your toxic, non-organic bed.
5. Get to bed by 11 PM.
6. If you are in a position where you are not able to get enough hours of sleep, try to first change your circumstance or manage your time better so that you can. If that’s just not possible right now, express gratitude for the sleep you did get, and praise the quality of the sleep (even if it wasn’t great—you tell yourself that it was).
7. Get outside within 30 minutes and let the sun touch your eyes and skin. Don’t turn on artificial lighting before going outside, as artificial light confuses your body.
8. Don’t use any night lights in the bedroom and cover any lights with tape or a blanket, including small/pinpoint-sized lights like those on fire detectors.
9. Buy and use a Nikken face mask (it’s seriously the best and well worth the money!!) if you are forced to sleep with lights on or during the day.
10. Use minimal lighting at night and wear blue light glasses an hour before bed.
11. No TV, computer, or phone use an hour before bed.
12. Use a blue light blocker app on your computer and phone at night if you must use them.
13. Get your phone and alarm clock as far away from you as possible when you are sleeping.
14. Use EMF Paint in or around (exterior of the home) the bedrooms of your house to create a protective faraday cage.
15. Avoid CBD, Melatonin, or sleeping pills to induce sleep. Your body will become depenent on them—as use will cause your body will produce less of the natural chemicals that these substances mimic. Try to find the reason your body is not making enough of these natural chemicals and address those issues. (Many solutions could be in this list).
16. Drink warm milk (the calcium will calm you down), chamomile tea, or a calcium tea of horsetail, comfrey, oat straw, and lobelia herbs before bed.
17. Take Magnesium Breakthrough (the type of magnesium and quality of magnesium matters!) before bed.
18. If you are female, you probably need at least 8-9 hours of sleep daily (women need more sleep than men), so do your best to make this happen!
19. Pray for protection, release and relinquish any darkness (repent/pray for forgiveness and relief in behalf of self and others) and request the Lord’s angels to surround you before you get into bed.
D&C 88:124
Cease to be idle; cease to be unclean; cease to find fault one with another; cease to sleep longer than is needful; retire to thy bed early, that ye may not be weary; arise early, that your bodies and your minds may be invigorated.
More Biblical Scriptures About Sleep
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Full Transcript: Episode 43: Sleep and Depression: Beds, Pills, and Dreams
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:00)
If you are depressed, but you aren’t getting enough sleep, that could be one of the biggest problems. And you may be saying, but I can’t sleep or I don’t have enough time or my body just won’t go to sleep at night. Well, we have some solutions in this podcast for you.
We have lots of you today about mechanics of sleep, why we need beds. Beds is going to be a big topic today.
sheets, all that stuff. People don’t think about that. spend at least a third of our life in our bed. So if you’re sleeping in a bed that’s synthetic toxic materials inside of it, and how much do you spend on your car and yet people don’t want to spend a few thousand dollars on a good 100 % natural bed, you’re sticking your face in the thing for a third of your life.
if you cannot do anything else, buy a 100 % either cotton or natural latex, natural wool pillow. And we’re talking 100%. There’s a lot advertisements out there that will say, oh, this is organic. But it’s usually only a part. You really have to shop
savvy when you’re looking for organic bed products. so if you were going to do one thing, spend $100, $120 and get yourself a really good, clean pillow with a clean organic cover on Organic Living Arizona, products. Gerard is fantastic. If you want to support a small business, he…
only carries two beds right now. And when I talked to him, I was interested in organic bed for me. And at the had a king sized bed, and we’d replaced it with two twins because the king size was so uncomfortable. I’d inherited the sleep number bed, when sleep number was like air. It was horrible. It was just the worst bed I’d wake up sore every day. So
I got these two, hand me down, twin mattresses. And if you didn’t know, two is the same size as a king, so we just had to them together on and we had a king-sized bed out of two twins. Well, enough money that I could buy one twin organic mattress. I really excited and I went to was doing some research and asking him some questions and he goes, I carry 100 % organic beds available. And I’m thinking, ⁓ no.
No, I’ve heard of lots of organic beds. There’s lots of companies that sell organic beds. He must be just trying to sell his bed. Is he really being honest? I had a day where I was on the fire line in Wildland Fire there’s a lot of hurry up and wait in that job. So we had hurried up and then we were just waiting. So I had a good full day that I could just be on my phone and do research on beds.
and I spent a good eight hours researching organic beds. Sure enough, he was right. He sold the only two 100 % organic beds. Most of them are just organic for like an inch not 100%. And so if you’re gonna spend high ticket item price on a bed, because there’s a lot of organic companies out there that’ll try to sell you their clean beds, the only two really clean beds are SaviRest.
and Harvest that I am aware of carries those two beds. He also sells all the pillows sheets. I got my organic sheet set from Boll and Branch. They’re very priced. addition pillowcase, I would also
pads cover mattress because it will seal in a lot of those chemicals. It’s designed to do that. So you can get that from Organic Living Arizona as well. other things you could do if you can’t a good mattress right now, which a lot of people can’t just drop several thousand dollars, is to get those charcoal bags. You can get them off Amazon. Keep them in your room and it’ll absorb some of those toxins.
You take them the sun air them out every couple months and bring them back in. lot of think that your bed is going to off gas and then you’re good. That is not the case with beds because most beds, almost all of them, have memory foam in them now. And the older the bed gets, the more the more off gassing the memory foam produces, is different than maybe paint, for example.
John (03:51)
Just.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:09)
But it’s Savvy Rest Harvest are the two that I’m aware of that completely clean. They’re the only beds I would buy. Most of my beds, honestly, are really old and don’t have any memory foam in a bed for, but I do have those covers on every single one of my beds.
John (04:10)
Okay.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:26)
twin that I did buy, it’s on my son’s bed now. But it’s funny because when I was so excited, I finally got my organic bed, know, half of one anyway, for my king would have it that my sweet son, who’s now 15, was maybe five at the time. He comes in in the middle of the night, snuggles into my bed and pees on it. I was so sad. I didn’t…
John (04:48)
Well, I’m, I’m glad
he’s probably wanting to love this part of the podcast.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:52)
Oh my gosh, I was like, are you kidding me? Couldn’t you sleep on the other side of the bed? But you know, my fault for not getting a cover for it at that time, but yeah.
John (05:04)
Yeah, so word of advice if you have little kids make sure you have a cover, just to be safe also going to toss this in there. I know some people have back issues have a 360 lounge chair They go for a few hundred dollars.
But if you have back issues and you need to find someplace comfortable to sleep in, the 360s actually work
For those of you that might have back issues, look into something like does work.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:32)
with your organic pillow could be
really great. No, no, there’s so many solutions. If you have trouble sleeping, And even feel like you’re sleeping okay, these are improvements or goals that I you consider investing in just because over time, chemicals of the things around us, but I would say especially your bed
John (05:36)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:52)
do affect us in negative ways affect depression as asked I asked chat GPT, I know, but I couldn’t find an answer online. I couldn’t find it. I was like, how many chemicals are in our beds? need a number and I couldn’t find it on Google. So I asked chat GPT and it said there are anywhere from dozens to hundreds of chemicals, which thought.
John (05:59)
Eww… EVIL!
Evil AI! ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:16)
depending on the materials used, how it was manufactured, etc. etc. quite a in the modern bed. Natural beds, like natural materials, you’re going to have the cotton, the natural again, it’s going to be very costly, the cheap options that I’ve described, and then there’s the, I’m willing to invest in this or save for this so that I can better my future.
John (06:38)
I’ll throw this out there I realize a lot of these natural items are costly. But what value do you on your health? That’s… Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:48)
Right, your health is gonna cost you a lot more. And your mentality,
your day to day, even if, yeah, it’s just not worth it to me. I think it pays off dividends. Like, we’re talking thousands upon thousands upon thousands of dollars if you prioritize your health despite little or a lot more in some cases. What are you willing to do to make it happen? And I know there’s some people listening, they’re like, I don’t have that kind of money. Well, God is good, God is…
John (07:07)
Preventive.
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:16)
amazing at finding solutions. Someone might offer you or you’ll get an inheritance. just when you need something and you want it wants it for you too, always provide a way. That’s just been experience.
John (07:29)
Yeah, my one friend is incredible with this. Like one time he needed new chairs. So he said a prayer, went on Craigslist and boom, there are new chairs and he just went and got them. I mean, it was like cheap. if you trust God and you pray again, now you have realize when you pray to God and ask him for things, He’s going to give you what you need, not necessarily what you want.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:38)
Yeah, it can be that fast. Yeah,
Right.
John (07:53)
it doesn’t have to be pretty or
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:54)
Well, and the amazing
thing about these organic beds a lot of the beds that you buy at the store that all the synthetic materials in them, bed bugs like them. do have chemicals to deter the bed bugs, but latex its dense, but it has these holes in it. And so it tends to foster mold and moisture over time. Bed bugs like those kind of things.
those kind of issues with those kind of beds when they’re old. The completely beds, especially with the wool, the wool is a flame retardant, a natural flame retardant, and bed bugs don’t like it. So you can have a really old organic bed. You can find someone who’s given away a 20 year old organic bed and it can be pretty dang clean, like compared to getting a 20 year old not organic bed,
So when I was a firefighter, I also learned that of the products that we own have petroleum in them byproducts are very cheap. the reason our beds require flame retardants is because they’re very flammable because of the petroleum that’s in the beds. just…
So that goes for houses, the glues, all of that stuff. So here’s the first chemical, benzene. I’m just going to read this. It’s a chemical commonly used in the creation of plastics, dyes, and synthetic fibers and more. It is one of the most common VOCs typically released from mattresses through off gassing. It can be found in foams used in many types of mattresses, including memory foam and some hybrids or innerspring mattresses.
The CDC’s guide to benzene says that it causes damage by preventing the cells from working as they are supposed to. If you’re exposed to small amounts for a short period of time, this causes short-term dizziness or headaches, but long-term exposure can lead to anemia or immune system dysfunction. The second one is propylene oxide and TDI or trulene diso…cantate or something are chemicals used to create polyethylene foam and memory foam.
The CDC has announced that both of these are associated with increased tumor risk in mice and rats. Dibutalin can cross the placenta in mammals and accumulate in the brain what acts as a potent neurotoxin-killing brain cells. Hmm, fun. Vinyl, which to me is the most tragic because most of our baby beds have the vinyl on them. these are…
kid’s baby bed has this, but again, I put one of those wool covers over it to protect him from vinyl, I prayed about it, and God said, no, the wool’s fine. So that’s what I did. But vinyl is that waterproof cover over a lot of those infant mattresses. As vinyl is exposed to heat, moisture, and remember, little Tommy’s going to be wetting the bed on a regular basis, even diaper just overflows, right? So it’s going to get wet.
and air, it breaks down and leeches chemicals like phthalates and heavy metals like antimony. These can adversely affect reproductive health, fetal development, cause asthma and allergies, and childhood development and behavior. Yikes! Vinyl also contains dioxins that can cause birth defects, cancer, and changes in neurological development. So there’s just four of them. ⁓ It goes on from there and…
John (10:58)
it goes on from there.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:02)
book Safe in a Toxic World by Walter Bader, and he compares the lack of regulations around mattresses to that of cigarettes in the And I would tend to agree with him. It’s not good. Not could do better.
John (11:14)
natural remedies have almost been lost. Or actually really they are lost on the or buried.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:20)
or buried even. I don’t think that
a lot of the forces want people to be enabled or have the power or the knowledge to do something themselves They would like us to be dependent on their drugs, their system, I don’t think people who make beds are evil. that greed compounded over time has led to where we are and the knowledge that is power can protect us from that.
John (11:32)
yeah.
make sure you do have a good bed. And because that’s also where you start getting into the necessity of human body was not meant run seven. downtime. needs processing time
sleep recharges or resets the brain to optimize functioning. Sleep helps maintain cognitive skills such as attention, learning, and memory. And when you start having the lack of all those functions begin to impaired.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (12:16)
Mm-hmm.
Well
impaired driving through drunk driving is almost dwarfed by those who are not sleeping enough and then driving. I can attest to that, there’s been times when I’ve almost had an accident because I wasn’t getting enough sleep and I was sleep deprived. Also, I’m not a very nice person. I don’t do coffee, I don’t do stimulants, so sleep and my mental health go hand in hand. If I am not getting good sleep,
I start to decline very My husband considers sacred. He gets really mad if I’m staying up late doing a podcast. Why aren’t you in bed? Because he knows he’s going to be paying for it later with my grouchiness. true. I have a really hard time being happy. And feel like I’m depressed when I’m sleep I don’t handle it well. So mental health and goes hand in hand for me. I have to get sleep.
John (12:57)
You
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:10)
And women, ironically, did all of these studies in the old days when they said seven to eight hours of sleep Most of their study participants were male. And they’re now finding out that women need quite a bit more sleep than men. On average, women need at least eight to nine, sometimes more, the way our bodies are, the way they work. And if maybe about seven hours of sleep at night, I like to get a two hour to three hour nap.
so on about nine hours and I’ve noticed that either I got to get it at night or I got to get a nap during the that’s just me.
John (13:43)
sometimes you don’t have a choice. Cause I know like me, later.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:47)
when you don’t
have a choice, when you are in a place in your life where I have to get up at this time, I have to go to work, I get home at midnight and then I do it all over again and this is just where I’m at right now, and you’re getting three to four, changing your circumstance would be optimal. However, in the meantime, when you get to that, I’m exhausted, I can’t even function, I’m so tired, is to tell yourself that…
Even in those three to four hours, I got great sleep. Even if you didn’t, you tell yourself, Lord, I am so grateful for those three to four hours that I got. Thank you for that rejuvenating sleep. you go to bed, and I’ve done this before, please Lord make these three to four hours act as eight. I need these three to four hours to act as eight. My sister Lindsay had to do that at one point when she was stretched so thin she couldn’t get more than three to four hours a night. And she opted into this crazy schedule.
and then gone, what have I done? But there she was.
And she prayed.
to the Lord to please make these three to four hours act as eight. I know you that for me. rejuvenate my body. And if you’re in that position, you can pray that gift. things that can help you through the day that are not stimulants, because stimulants, you’re time. get you later. keep you awake. stealing hours from your
future, you’re still not getting the rest that you need. Speaking of rest time, 11 o’clock. There’s something about 11 p.m. No matter where you are in the world, your body knows what 11 p.m. is. And that’s part of why jet lags a thing, is because your body’s regulating to that new location and the timing of that location and feels, the polarity feels, just all of it. It’s like, and you have to kind of body adjust.
So 11 p.m., if you’re not in bed by 11 p.m., you will need an extra hour of sleep for every hour you stay up 11 p.m. So for if you go to bed at 11 and you generally need seven or eight hours, let’s just say it’s then you can wake up six no problem, get through the day, should feel great. If you go to bed at midnight, you now need eight hours.
get an up at six, or even if you’ve slept till seven, well I got seven hours, your body rejuvenate fully because it now needed eight. If you stay up till one, it now needed nine, so you’re gonna have to sleep until 10, or get a nap to make that And part of the reason 11 o’clock is so important, and it’s especially important for teens who are but for any human being.
I have a little graph here that I printed off. So traditional Chinese medicine hours of organ cleansing. This has been a thousands of years type knowledge that I only just learned about a few years ago. so 11 to 1 a.m. you must be asleep for your to get the rejuvenation that it needs.
Liver is one to three, lungs are three to five, large intestine is five to seven. That’s why in the morning, if you’re pooping first in the morning, you’re doing good. Like you should be pooping first thing in the morning. healthy body is one that you get up, you gotta go. A lot of the other organs, they can rejuvenate during the day just fine during waking hours.
But these other, like the gallbladder, liver, and lungs, you gotta be asleep, body cannot do what it needs to do. Additionally, you wake up in the morning, get outside within 30 minutes, I know I’ve said this before, but it regulates that circadian rhythm, so that your body is saying, it’s daytime, and you don’t wanna turn on any lights in your house before you get outside. You don’t want artificial light, it’ll confuse the body, you want the rays from the sun, that infrared. There’s a difference.
And if you sleep with any lights on at night, it’s going to be detrimental to your sleep as well because even a pinpoint of light, there’s studies that have shown sends messages to your body halt melatonin production? It’s just like, no, it’s time to get up. I feel the light. And it’s just artificial light, but you want to be pitch dark as possible. So put a cover on the window if there’s light coming in from outside and no night lights. Get your phone out of there.
John (17:31)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (17:46)
Any alarm clocks should not be by your head for many reasons, but it should be dark, dark in your room and stuff up if you have to or sheets so they’re not shining.
John (17:46)
yeah.
I started sleeping with mask, to cover the eyes so I don’t It does help it really does surprisingly
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (18:00)
Yeah, that helps too. It helps a lot. My favorite
mask, tried a lot of masks that they’re kind of uncomfortable Nikken has the most amazing eye mask ever. It’s an $80 mask, it’s got magnets in it. It feels like heaven. I’ve had it for years.
and my son stole it from me because he loved it so much so I don’t have it anymore. But I need to get myself another one at some point.
John (18:29)
something about kids stealing from their parents
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (18:32)
They know, they know this is good. this is so much better than my synthetic stuff. as far as stimulants to keeping you awake during the day, green magma, it’s a green juice, anything green or like fruit. Fruit is amazing for keeping you awake. When I worked a night shift of need, ate fruit all night. It really did help.
instead of running in the morning or exercising in the morning, exercising midday to kind of wake yourself up. That can be a really good solution. So instead use the morning to meditate slow movements, getting up, outside, and then later in the day
John (19:10)
at end of the day, you need to listen to your body. If your body needs more sleep, let it have some sleep, A lot of times we put ourselves on a specific schedule like, it’s noon, I have to eat lunch. It’s six, and then I must eat dinner. if you listen to your body, your body will tell you,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (19:26)
Mm-hmm.
John (19:32)
when you need sleep. Your body will tell you when you need to eat, if you start learning and listening, becomes much easier because nobody knows you better than you. also there are some exceptions. there was this one scientist
they used to sleep for one hour increments and they would go 24 hours a day. But when you add up all those one hour increments, it was like about eight, seven, eight hours for them.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (20:00)
Yeah, interesting. It worked for them.
Deep sleep.
does, and for most people is important, if you’re not dreaming legitimately, some people say they don’t dream and then other people say, yeah you do, you just don’t remember. If you don’t get deep sleep, is that REM or RAM? I can never remember. Whichever one it is, not fully rejuvenating. So if you’re not able to get into that deep sleep, that could be why you’re so tired even if you’re getting a lot of sleep.
because you have to be able to get into that deep sleep. If you’re taking a nap during the day, interestingly enough, if you don’t have time to take a very long nap, maybe you have 30 minutes, it’s better for you to only sleep 15 to 20 because if you get into that deep sleep, after about 20 minutes, you start going into the deep sleep and then you wake up in the middle of your deep sleep from the alarm, then you’re worse off than you were before. But that 15, 20 minute window is pretty good.
However, if you have at least an hour and a half to take a nap, can nap that long. But if it’s any less than an hour and a half, you’re probably going to be waking yourself up in the middle of a deep sleep, end up being a power nap anymore. They end up being kind of a detriment to the rest of the day. timing of those can be kind of important.
John (21:15)
Yeah, and also when it comes to naps, some days are so stressful that your brain needs that extra time. It needs that extra to process events. So don’t be afraid of that.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:25)
Mm.
Also if you’re rested up and you’re taking care of yourself, you can probably eight hour job in about five. that’s just how it usually works for me. If I’m tired, I end floundering, having brain fog, not being able to think straight, oh, walking into a room and going, why did I come in here and wasting a lot of time? Whereas
when you’re alert and awake, get a lot more
John (21:48)
Definitely, definitely.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:51)
projectors versus manifestors versus generators and managens. else that I can go through in a with people where if you know kind how you it changes the way you prepare for sleep. If you’re a manifestor or a projector, especially projector, you probably need a lot of downtime before sleep. you work, work, work, work, work and just work till you drop into the bed at the end of the night, you’re probably not going to be able to fall asleep very well.
You’ve take breaks during the day. You’ve got to take time before bed at least an hour or two to just read books, pray, chill, probably not TV. TV can be very stimulating right before bed. lights, you really don’t wanna be watching TV before bed. A lot of people do that, including my husband. I’m always like, stop it, computers. There’s apps you can get, like FLUX is one I use if I have to be using the computer at night working before bed.
John (22:35)
computers, yeah, phones, any of that.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:45)
or checking, it can dim all of the blue light from your device. That helps a lot, but better not to use them. long story short, projectors as a whole operate in this world a lot like manifestors in most cases because they see all the people around them. They’re not a huge part or the portion of the population, about 20%.
They see everyone around them working, working, working in the society we have where it’s eight to five, if you’re a kid, you just go, go, all day, and then homework, until bed, all these activities. And they just the space or the ability to use their intuition to take care of themselves properly, really, since the time there are children. And so they end up being adults who work themselves way too hard and end up having nervous and depression and anxiety issues. And if that’s you have
life purpose does not revolve around go go it’s probably more along the lines of creating systems that allow things to get done very quickly that people like generators or just manifestors aren’t as good at creating because they don’t have to, because they can just, do the go go go thing. type, manifestor and generator, there does come a point where I have to listen, a definite
huge, stop now, and then I have to stop and take a rest. But I can go a pretty long time before that happens, but if I go past that stop now, and this is the same for projectors, manifestors, you start to fall apart. bad and ugly, especially not listening to that still small voice that’s telling you it’s time to rest, and you shame yourself into know I’d be lazy, or know this has to get done, or whatever it is. Listen to it. Listen to it. On the other hand, if you’re a generator, manifesting generator,
it works very well for you to work and go and go and go till the end of the day and drop into bed and you sleep great. If you don’t use up all that energy, it’s like the opposite of a projector, you’ll lay in bed with all this extra brain going crazy and can’t settle down because you got too much energy that you didn’t spend during the day. knowing yourself, understanding how your body any of the principles we talked about today can with any of the types, but differences in how you live and lifestyle.
affect one person differently than another. And knowing what that is can help tremendously.
John (24:56)
We’re here talking about sleep. And it’s mentioned in the Bible in a lot of places. of them is Daniel, when I heard the sound of his words, I fell on my face in deep sleep with my face to the ground.
Another one from Matthew, when Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him. another one, the distress of sleeplessness and of nausea and colic are with the glutton, which comes from Sirach They’re actually the same they can be divided.
So, even the Bible talks restful sleep and sleep being important. especially if you look at the book of Daniel, sleep is a major way God communicates with He uses that to connect, interact.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:37)
Mm-hmm.
John (25:51)
and to give you And I can’t tell you how many weird dreams I’ve had over the years. I’ll be like, where the heck did that come from? And…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (26:01)
I have one.
from the Bible, verses I was raised with.
So it’s D&C 88:124, and it says, Cease to be idle, cease to be unclean, cease to find fault with one another, cease to sleep longer than is needful. Retire to thy bed early, that you may not be weary. Arise early, that your bodies and your minds may be invigorated. And with that in mind, you think about the old days where they were kind of not forced entirely because they did have candles fires and things like that. But pretty much when the sun went down, people went to bed. I would say for the most part.
John (26:34)
Yes.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (26:35)
And when the sun rose up, woke I can say when I’m camping, for me to go to bed when the sun goes down. And as soon as the sun’s up, awake because the sun’s shining through the tent. cycle of even wintertime versus summertime, the natural way that God intended things to be. But now we have all this artificial light where we can manipulate that natural way of being. And my gosh, I struggle with that.
I totally take advantage of nighttime lights to get work done when my kids go to bed. But I have found that times in my life where I’ve prioritized getting up early and I’m able to go to bed early, I feel so good and I get so much more done. And I would like to make that a permanent part of my existence. I’m on my way. not there yet, but I no longer sleep in.
past about seven, but still I would love to make it five someday and then get to bed by like nine, you know?
John (27:29)
Well, I tell you what, I’m the same way. Whenever we go camping, and I think a lot of it too, is you’re from all the electronics and all the signals. whenever I go camping, I can eight, nine hours. So when I’m here at home, I usually average six hours.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (27:39)
talk about that in a
John (27:47)
maybe seven hours. That’s a fairly typical sleep cycle for me. But whenever I’m camping, I get up with the sun, I go to it gets will I will feel so rested and recovered when I get up the next day. I was so amazed. It’s such a difference.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:05)
Yeah, it’s amazing.
compound that pure air, the grounding you’re probably getting the dirt and the trees and Someday I would love to live in the forest, in a log cabin.
John (28:20)
I would too. I’ve always told God that I said just put me in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:24)
I love nature and what it can do. Sometimes nature therapy healing tool when you can make that a regular part of your life.
John (28:24)
so different.
the greatest gift I had was that I grew up on a farm There’s hundreds of acres of woodlands around my father would get up at 5 a.m. and when he was up, everybody was up, and we would work outside all day. that’s some of my best memories
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:43)
Mm-hmm.
John (28:50)
when you go electronics and the EMF signals, it’s ridiculous.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:54)
Yeah, mm-hmm. Day to day. We
can’t get away from it in the city. very, I’ve started unplugging my at night. And I put on airplane mode. That’s another thing that I would encourage everyone to do it’s less EMFs.
The effects of EMF radiation from your alarm clock was used as part of this study. It was part of the
The study was able to prove that EMF radiation inhibits the body’s ability to properly produce melatonin, as you probably know is our body’s hormone that regulates sleep. The reason this happens is that the pineal gland where the melatonin is created interprets the radiation as light and doesn’t want to allow you to sleep, So EMF radiation something like your alarm clock, your phone, keep your phone as far away from you as you can. Don’t use it as an alarm clock if you can’t, like really.
Get it out of your room. I can’t stress that enough. And as the EMF is being absorbed into your body and your body’s affected by it, there’s symptoms such as headaches, skin irritation, fatigue, moodiness, memory problems, and it’s actually very extensive list. Those are just a few of them that EMFs are manifesting different problems in different people. And if you’re waking up with any of these, you can’t identify what it is. It might be the EMF radiation in your bedroom. And one of my goals some day is to build a house that
literally has a Faraday cage around bedrooms. copper in the walls, so that I can sleep in a Faraday cage.
John (30:16)
Well, well, so
surprisingly there is paint that you can buy that eliminates signals. It is expensive, but I, I, I forget an EMF resistant paint. Cause I know this he lived in a city and he problems sleeping and acting.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:26)
Really?
that’s okay. Tell me what it is. ⁓
Mm.
John (30:40)
and he figured it all the signals coming in. So he literally all the rooms in his house with this repelled signals and the EMF and the and it worked. Once he did that, he was able to sleep again and
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:43)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm. it worked.
Did it affect the
signals that he was able to receive? Did he have to go outside?
John (30:59)
had hard line coming into his house, into the but his cell phone, yeah, he couldn’t connect outside while he was inside the house. And he said, and it made a total difference.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:59)
like if you yeah, the hard line.
I have to go outside. Yeah. That’s cool. I’m going to have to research
that and we’ll put that in notes. add a link to that. And there’s other EMF. EMF Harmony is on my website under the do get a kickback from that if you want to support. If you don’t want to support, just go to the website. do like their products. computers.
John (31:15)
Okay, yeah, there’s…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:32)
Defender Shield. a good thing to get for under your computer. Infrared Sauna is very low EMF so that when you’re getting in the sauna and you’re opening yourself up in all your pores that you’re not…
inundated with extra EMFs, that was specifically made with that in mind. again, just many electronics out of your bedroom as possible while you’re sleeping. Turn off the internet if you can.
John (31:53)
and just be aware of this I know where I drive to and from work, are a series of voltage power lines that go right across the road. And when in traffic, you can actually hear the crackle of the electricity being emitted from these
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:02)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
my
sister called me and she asked me, how bad is it if one of those lines is by your house? We love this house, we want to buy it. I was like, don’t buy it. Don’t buy it. Do not buy a house by those. the high, ones.
John (32:22)
No.
the big high voltage they look the steel
those ones are
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:27)
if you live by a phone
tower, right by one of those, probably not, those aren’t the best to be by either. if you suffer enough, it might be worth it to move. a consideration if you realize that that’s going comes to mind is supplements that people take like melatonin.
John (32:30)
A cell phone tower is bad, bad.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:44)
or other supplements to help them roommate in her dad took NyQuil every night to make him sleep, which is basically alcohol, I’m like, ⁓ dear, like that’s really awful. But being dependent on things like that because they’re just so desperate get to sleep and struggling in that way. I get it. Or sleeping pills. CBD, they have the same quality as
John (32:58)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:06)
and a lot of other drugs, to be honest, where when you give your body melatonin or CBD, your body already makes melatonin. It already makes the chemicals that CBD causes your body to produce. When you take melatonin externally, your body, even if you’re not producing as much as maybe needs to because of the things we’ve talked about probably, the EMS to the so forth, or being overly exerted or underexerted at the end of the day.
but you’re giving your body more melatonin and your body communicates to itself, we have too much melatonin and it will start to produce less. So when you melatonin or maybe out or you don’t take it, you will have a harder time producing your own melatonin because your body has been given too much through the supplementation. Even though
Maybe you need it, but you need to find out why your body isn’t much melatonin as it needs, because it will tell your body to make less you’re giving it melatonin. Same with the same kind of chemicals that can you down. It will say too much, stop producing them, and then when you get off the mind, your body can’t handle more it was before. So with Prozac. going to produce less serotonin, and then when you get off Prozac,
hard because then your body’s not even producing as much as it was before. it’s this cycle.
John (34:21)
And
to mention, if you feel that you truly do need to take any of those supplements, you don’t have to take the dosage they recommend.
There’s been a couple of times when I had difficulty getting to sleep took melatonin, but I literally broke that pill into fours and I took one little corner and that was more than enough that You don’t have to Don’t dependent.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (34:39)
Mm.
And making it not every night thing, but maybe wits end,
something, Lord, what do you think? And says, take the melatonin, then take the melatonin.
John (34:55)
Right.
like I said, again, nobody knows your body better than you. works, always try and do the least amount because you don’t want to upset that balance. And you don’t want to do it on a regular basis because then you become dependent. It always starts
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (35:02)
Mm-hmm.
you get that tolerance and then you need more and forth. And it’s the same, I believe, with melatonin and CBD. Your body starts to produce less and less and less, so you take more to great place to be, I actually have a really good testimonial from someone who listens to this she will remain anonymous, but she reached out and she told me that when I the podcast about getting off of the Prozac and how I realized I just didn’t need it anymore.
John (35:12)
and it
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (35:38)
she had been taking sleeping pills for a very long time to help her And it made her question whether, do I still need this? And she stopped taking the sleeping pills and realized she could sleep. And so sometimes it’s just…
trying, the Lord, is it that I can do instead to navigate this process of weaning off of this so that I can do something different and take better care of my body. But it was a miraculous win for her, and I’m so happy someone listening to the podcast was able to benefit in that way, any kind of freedom that we have when we are able to care of our own needs versus relying on pharmaceuticals is, I believe, a
John (36:08)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:16)
Huge, huge win.
John (36:19)
Agreed.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:20)
Just a few other things that I wanted to mention. Warm milk, there’s something to that. mothers and grandmothers that gave us warm milk. Calcium will calm you down help with sleep.
John (36:26)
⁓
Also, apple cider vinegar sleep. actually regulate sugar spikes, which then affects other things in the middle of the night. Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:33)
Really?
in the middle of the night! Because people will wake up. Yeah, they’ll wake up hungry or
just wake up because, yeah, that’s a really good point. forgotten about that. night hungry or-
John (36:47)
I’ve actually started
doing that and also Fish Oil, which you’ve mentioned before.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:51)
You can do tea comfrey, oat straw, and lobelia. Makes a really good calcium tea you don’t do milk. And calming.
John (37:00)
another thing you should do is set a time where you stop eating. normally seven, maybe eight o’clock at night at the latest, you should truly stop eating it helps you sleep better because go to bed with food in your stomach, your body automatically produces energy.
in order to break down that food. trying to go to sleep, you’re trying to relax while your body is like, there’s food in the stomach. We cannot go to sleep yet. We need to process this. And it’s, working against you.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:19)
Hmm, makes sense.
Yeah. can feel really heavy too if you’re like, bleh,
laying in bed after eating. I’ve experienced that.
John (37:36)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:38)
have learned reality is we weren’t always living in a food was this readily available. in the old days they ate less frequently and they would eat they caught food they’re hunter-gatherers
John (37:49)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:49)
catch food, eat it, prepare it. They might have one meal a day, maybe two. And they usually ate within a window the light out. And then they would stop that intermittent fasting in between, is so good for your body. The problem with most people who have issues with weight is even if they’re eating tiny bits throughout the day, is that they’re not giving their digestive system a break. And if you give it
John (38:02)
Right.
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:15)
huge, like life changing if you’re only eating in an eight hour window. Whenever that is, I tend to get up and get going with my day.
John (38:23)
but the apple cider vinegar I will tell you since I started taking it I’m not as hungry anymore, especially at night I wake up in the morning. I don’t have those anymore
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:29)
Mm-hmm.
John (38:33)
have a big jar of apple cider with mother. So you got to have the mother in it, the raw. I’ll take two tablespoons and mix it with a glass of water and then drink it through a straw would not recommend drinking it straight because the acidity…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:37)
Right, the raw one.
that’s painful.
John (38:50)
it can damage your teeth, the enamel, because it’s so acidic. But if you,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:52)
yeah. So brush your teeth after too.
John (38:55)
I’ve started taking some magnesium because that’s supposed to be beneficial for sleep.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:58)
Hmm, yeah. Not only that,
it’s supposed to be beneficial for protecting against EMFs. Ironically, magnesium breakthrough is the best supplement I know of for magnesium. Highly recommend that one.
John (39:11)
And then the other time I will apple cider vinegars when I first get up And since I’ve been doing that, I’ve noticed a definite
change not only in my sleep cycles but also in my energy levels when I’m traveling, the next best thing is the capsules.
I do get better results with the liquid
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (39:31)
if you did the apple cider morning herbal tea or a chamomile at night would be easy way to just kind of get both in and the apple cider vinegar from what I understand helps you absorb the herb better
John (39:36)
yeah, you can.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (39:46)
or even coffee. A lot of people rely on coffee to wake them up. all think there’s mud. I’ve never tried has a bunch of stuff in it that’s supposed to kind of wake it’s type powders are really good for waking you up. It’s
John (39:49)
Well, you
here’s something interesting. again, know your own body. I have a friend who has ADHD and they drink coffee calm down and to make them tired because their body has a
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:10)
Yeah, that can that’s a great alternative to Ritalin.
I gotta say way better than Ritalin. So yeah.
John (40:17)
Yeah, Some people react that way.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:19)
Let God tell you what you need today, right now, have desires to learn more, He can lead whatever next step there your healing. But a lot of times it’s stepping stones, and this is better than that, and good, better, best processes.
John (40:22)
Yeah.
true too. Well, you have to listen to that inner voice. You have to listen to God because He made your body. He knows your body better than you do. And if you listen to Him and take His advice, He can lead you in the way that it will get done. Simple as
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:41)
Mm-hmm.
Absolutely. 100%.
And with all of this sleep talk, we want to endwith a little bit about John’s experience last night. He had fun vision, let’s just say.
John (41:01)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (41:02)
go ahead and, because I haven’t heard the full And we’re telling you asking for your prayers and a nutshell.
John (41:09)
Right, it’s very interesting. The way my gifts work is I do get visions typically when I dream. Sometimes I’ll waking dream, like a deja vu type moment, but more often than not,
I go to bed and I have a dream God takes me elsewhere Sometimes it can be a very straightforward vision sometimes they can be symbolic What happened last night?
just realize some of this is symbolic, but then towards the end it got to be a little bit more and direct. I’ve been having a lot of these dreams lately where I’m going around
a warehouse and I’m going room to room and cleaning things out, getting rid of things that aren’t needed it feels like I’m doing a lot of prep work. So this vision started out with me
walking through the town where I live and as I was walking people were occasionally coming up to me and smiling and saying hi and as this was happening I also had another individual
walking behind me and
and I instantly recognized him as my guardian and he had a warm smile as he was listening and watching and also protecting me. Additionally as I was walking I began to notice other figures keeping their eyes on me and shadowing me
like they were taking mental notes of things. I eventually went into warehouse I guess I owned, I’m not and I was walking through looking at it room by room and noticing different rooms were totally empty. They had been cleaned.
I walked into a couple rooms and said, Oh, I still have a couple more things to get rid of here. Oh, we’re scheduled to get rid of that soon. You know, so it was like, everything according to plan. Everything is being emptied. Everything is being prepared. Then I realized, Oh, it’s time for me to sit down and do broadcast. And my broadcast wasn’t just online, but apparently it was being sent over.
radio so I came a two room house, basic. And I sat down behind my new computer. And if you ever saw good morning Vietnam,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (43:37)
Hmm.
John (43:37)
with Robin
Williams and how energetic he was and bombastic he was. I was like that. over. I’m going, all right, we got a great episode today. just before I was able to go on, there was a knock on my door. So I got up, opened the door.
there were these two large security guards. big, bulky, probably like seven foot one looked at me the mayor wants to see you. And I’m like, what’s this about? He’s like, he wants to talk to you about your podcasts, And I was like,
guess I can go. so they escorted me through the town, into the mayor’s office. angel, still walking beside me. was almost like they didn’t see him, he was still there walking warm smile on his face. like, wow, the mayor’s actually taking an interest. This is awesome.
I also noticed as these big guards were escorting me, they were nervous. In fact, like they were more intimidated by me. they took me into this
side office it had a little end table I came in and sat down the two guards came in
and me a little a few minutes and then the mayor in. He looked like to be a man in his early 60s it was Satan
He the guise of an authority figure and he looked at me with a kind of
disgusted look almost like tired like my gosh, we got to do this again and he sat down across from me at the table and he’s like John we have a problem and I said, okay, what’s what’s the issue? He’s like You’re talking to too many people
You need to be quiet. you are disturbing this quiet little town that we’ve built. It’s nice. It’s peaceful. It’s going along the way I want it your broadcasts are interfering with that. You’re causing ripples. People are starting to
problems. you know, we’ve had this discussion before a pain as it is, and now you’re doing this on top of it.
looked like he was frustrated. And I told him, I have a free I can talk. can say ever I want. you can’t tell me just to be that’s your you, if what I’m saying doesn’t fit and then that’s on you. And he kind of sighed. He’s like,
first of all, you don’t authorization to do what you’re doing. What you’re doing is against the law. I’m trying to be nice here. if you push this issue, first thing I’m going to do is I’m going to take all of your equipment. Next thing I’m going to do is put you in jail and lock you away.
If that doesn’t work…
then I’m going to get serious Because I’m not going to have you keep doing this.
looked at him a minute and I’m kind of chuckling to myself. It’s like, what are you talking about? This is totally absurd. And I said, so you said I don’t have the authorization. He’s like, yeah, you have not gone through the proper channels. You’re not allowed to do what you’re doing.
there were three pieces of paper, out in front of him. three podcasts that we had done that he was looking at and getting mad about.
And at that moment I an infusion of knowledge. I reached into my back pocket.
and pulled out up document that had just appeared. it was like a piece of paper it was glowing white. And I looked at it and smiled and said, by the way, before I did all of this, I already authorization. And the paper and I slapped it down on the desk in front of him.
it began to glow and I said, I already have permission. You can’t touch me.
And he realized that he had an issue with, evidence. Yeah. It’s evidence to use against very ironic. I had a probably around February last year.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:57)
Or evidence even.
John (48:08)
I was talking to a couple angels or saints and they were telling me things that I was going to be doing. And one of them had taken a piece of paper and put it in my shirt pocket and said you’ll need that. it was the same paper that now last night that I took out of my pocket and put down in front of him.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:22)
Hmm.
That’s cool.
John (48:29)
Satan reached down and put his, on the paper. And as soon as he did that,
there was like a flash of fury in his eyes. all of sudden he sighed, got a very dejected.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:57)
And I also remember you telling me that you had received a telling you that you were going to be speaking to lots and lots of people at some point in your life, and you’re going, but I don’t want to. And then we started doing this and it kind of opened at least that beginning door that to start happening. But
John (49:09)
Yeah
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:17)
this was way outside my comfort zone. But something that I felt like God was asking me to do. And that’s why I’m doing
think
It would really be awesome if anybody who’s listening today was willing to pray for specifically the Overcome Depression podcast, and me and our families, so that we can continue to make this podcast available to you. There are certain things that we do in order to continue that happening, our health, finances, our time, we and doing our best to provide,
John (49:43)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:46)
I think forces at work that don’t want this to happen, So need warriors who are willing fortify those areas so that be as smooth a process as possible. I would love that.
pretty hard to scare me. you I think we’re in good company here and the people listening, lot of good supporters out there appreciate you. Thank you for being here every week and for supporting this. And
you again, John.
are so happy to be doing this I know this is several months of ourselves. We’ve got a queue, but we just released number 30 this week. monumental. almost a third to 100.
getting a lot of really great support, lot of downloads, a of great comments from you guys. If you haven’t signed up for the newsletter yet, It’s free. to listen to hour long podcast, the new letters are like five minutes your time and and easy supplemental tools and that will help you to
overcome depression and have greater joy in your life. So encourage you to sign up for that and you’ll get a free session with me. started doing that.
John (50:47)
and
Yeah,
that’s how and I met was through a session.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:53)
just allow us to scratch the surface, a chance to thank you for being here and get some face-to-face with some of our followers, a little bit of encouragement in an area that a boost. So is my hope that you will take advantage of that.
Now that we have completed this podcast, so many fun things in store, and I hope you have a wonderful day ahead This is the Overcome Depression podcast, and I am Jennifer. We will see you next time.
John (51:17)
and I’m John.
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