If You Feel Depressed or Angry About Current Events….
If you feel depressed or angry about current events, you aren’t alone! Events like the recent ICE agent shooting often cause depression and other emotional repercussions to society. In this spiritually-grounding episode of the Overcome Depression Podcast, hostJennifer Stirling-Campbell sits down with Joey and John to unpack how faith, media narratives, and emotionally-charged events—such as the ICE agent shooting—can intensify anxiety and depression. Through candid conversation, lived experience, and spiritual insight, this episode helps listeners slow down, step out of fear-based thinking, and reconnect with God through hope, truth, and personal agency. If you’re overwhelmed by current events, struggling with depression, or searching for clarity and peace in a divided world, this episode offers grounding wisdom and encouragement.
This Episode of the Overcome Depression Podcast is for You If You Want to Learn:
- How depression and anxiety are amplified by media bias and emotionally triggering news
- How faith can restore hope and emotional stability during fear-filled cultural moments
- How to think critically and compassionately about complex issues like an ICE agent incident
- How fight-or-flight reactions distort perception and worsen mental health
- How respectful conversations reduce division and support emotional healing
- How reconnecting with God, truth, and personal agency can help overcome depression
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Warnings from President Nelson
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Full Transcript: Depressed About ICE Agent Shooting? A New Perspective
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:12)
You may have had days when you wished you could don your pajamas, curl up in a ball, and that’s something to awaken you in that turmoil.
But my dear brothers and sisters, so many wonderful things are ahead. In coming days, we will see the greatest manifestations of the Savior’s power that the world has ever seen.
between now and the time he returns.
He will bestow countless privileges, blessings, and miracles upon the faithful. ⁓
Nonetheless, we are presently living in what surely is a most complicated time in the history of the world. The complexities and challenges leave many people feeling overwhelmed and exhausted. I weep over your heartaches, disappointments, and worries.
⁓ I assure you that our Heavenly Father and his beloved Son Jesus Christ love
They are intimately aware of your circumstances, your goodness, your needs, and your prayers for help. Again and again, I pray for you.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (02:08)
Welcome to the Overcome Depression podcast where we offer hope and those who struggle with depression. I am your host, Jennifer Stirling Campbell. And today I’m so excited about this episode because I have one of my favorite people.
Joey with me here today.
we’ve known each other for over 14 years now, and he has become one of my closest correspondents, especially when it comes to security issues. Joey is a cybersecurity analyst,
He has a black belt. He’s done security related work for the past 14 years, most of which have been with the United States contractors, which has given him a unique perspective behind the scenes into what is going on in the world because he’s been privy to information that most of us do not get to see. Joey’s favorite things in the world are the good guys from the bad guys, whether that’s in real life or through his favorite video games.
And in the time I’ve known you, Joey, I’ve seen you go through some would consider rather horrific life experiences, let’s just say, that would leave a lot of people very damaged, mentally ill, bitter. And yet, for as long as I’ve known you, you’ve always been such a solution focused person. You’re able to find humor in the darndest of circumstances. And you have this can-do attitude and optimism that I’m going to say is enviable because I want to grow up to be
just like you someday. You are quite literally, one of the least jaded people I know. So how do you do it? How do you stay so positive and optimistic? Because at your life, most people say, you should be really depressed, but you’re not.
Joey (03:49)
you. So
Well, first and most importantly is my faith. When I was a little kid, I decided to follow what the Bible teaches and see what happens. Over the years, I saw prayers answered, received guidance that didn’t make sense at the time, but led to a better future than I could have planned myself. And my faith grew over the years. I learned that God often lays a path that is full of storms, which you talked about things I’ve been through.
won’t get more serious ones, but just as an example, I was laid off in 2020, just two years after I started that job, but it quickly led to a more meaningful, more challenging job with 50 % more pay. It was awesome at the end. It didn’t feel awesome when I got laid off, but I had faith it would work out.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:35)
Ooh, that’s always nice.
no.
It never does.
Joey (04:46)
my life had been easy, I would not have the wisdom, strength, or mental fortitude I need to do what I do today and make a real difference in people’s lives.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (04:57)
for sure.
Joey (04:58)
the second most influential thing up was a character from an anime I like, Yu-Gi-Oh series specifically, Seto Kaiba. Most people saw…
A rich snob, technically isn’t wrong, but it’s not the whole picture. I saw some positive qualities in the character. I saw determination. He loved his family more than anything else. He was generous and very well off financially despite growing up in an orphanage. A lot of admirable qualities mixed into this character and most notably a never give up attitude. He was always focused.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:36)
He kinda sounds like you.
⁓
Joey (05:39)
Thank you.
was always focused the problem? do I solve this and pushed forward no matter what?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:47)
That’s awesome. So again, just feel like We could just absorb your ability to forgive and move on. I think we would all be a lot happier. And mentioned the whole aspect of things, which is kind of what we’re going to be getting into today is this ICE incident that just occurred that’s similar to George Floyd, that’s similar to
Joey (06:02)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:10)
Honestly, a lot of the things that we see on news and social media that frame the way we see the world because that’s what we are seeing. You’ve worked for government contractors and you see things that we’re just not allowed to see And based on what you’ve seen and experienced behind the scenes, what would you tell people who are feeling depressed and scared and upset about ICE,
and our president and the recent shooting that just occurred and just events in general that we the news that looks so terrible.
Joey (06:40)
Well, the first thing I’ll say is one of my favorite memes, is a quote, “Everything on the internet is true.” -Abraham Lincoln. Social media algorithms tend to show more of what you watch. They don’t really give you a diverse, true picture of the world. And most outlets are biased one way or the other.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:50)
Sure, yeah.
Joey (07:06)
so you’re not a real picture there. One you can do is you can watch liberal and conservative and see what points they agree on and then look for actual of the event to fill in the gaps.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:20)
Yeah.
I think you mentioned to me that if people could see what you see, most of the public would have a very, very different opinion and come to different conclusion than the ones that they’re coming up with right that that’s
Joey (07:33)
yeah.
Yep, a lot of policy decisions make more sense when you have the inside view and the non-public information. I will say there is legitimate national security reasons for keeping a lot of this information from the public.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (07:47)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (07:48)
I personally would draw the line at a different place and make a little bit more of it public than they do, but that’s not my call and I respect the decisions of those of authority, whether I agree with it or not.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (08:03)
Yeah. wish that we had more transparency as well. think a lot of people do. And I think that’s where some of the frustration is where we have to what is it that we can control, is it that we cannot control, and what can we do in our own sphere that will make a difference? with this recent incident with the shooting, you did some of your own research.
Joey (08:19)
Exactly.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (08:23)
The guy who shot the woman, you tell me what happened to him prior to this that you found out?
Joey (08:28)
Yeah,
yeah, he’d been rammed by another vehicle and was in the hospital by someone who was actually trying to run over deliberately. In another case, he was dragged and seriously injured trying to make an arrest.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (08:38)
Mm.
Joey (08:44)
They encounter a lot of violence and when a car comes at you and hits you, most people who don’t have tactical or martial arts training don’t really understand. You don’t have time to think, how injured am are they doing after this? You have a fraction of a second to make a decision and commit to it because if they are a threat and you hesitate, you’re dead.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (09:09)
Yeah, and she did kind of clip him, didn’t she?
Joey (09:12)
he was injured badly enough that he had to go to the hospital.
they recently released his body cam and from his body cam footage you have a better angle to see how hard he was hit.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (09:22)
Yeah. The problem with…
most of this is that it’s very emotionally targeted, And which targets especially people who struggle with mental a heightened response, which can take you into anger very quickly and this fight and flight where you can’t think clearly and properly. And then assumptions are built partial truths and
fear and that accompanies it and
because when someone says something that’s triggering to me and I feel that from core
I’ve just gone into fight and flight. Whatever is coming out of my mouth next is going to be really stupid. We are not smart when we’re mad. We’re not smart. We may think we are in the moment because we’re delusional, when start speaking when you’re angry, you’ll give the greatest speech you’ll ever regret. And it’s,
examples of things that people will do is make black and white
connections that are making it hard to fully understand a situation or be open to understanding fully a situation.
such as this political leader or situation is evil and you it. Therefore you are either stupid or part of the problem. And if that’s the case, maybe you are evil too. the A equals B, right? You have a different opinion than me. You be stupid and maybe you’re even evil because if you’re not stupid, you must be evil because this is bad.
may I offer the
suggestion but encouragement to stop. Just stop for a minute or just a few seconds and take that deep breath
don’t say what I want to say.
take that breath, maybe two or three big deep ones and bring oxygen back to my brain gone
How plays into this behavior is want to make the world a better think all of us do. And it angers us we see hurting each other.
we all want the same thing.
want it to And we all have our own ideas of what that looks like to stop it, going to be different.
get when people are almost like toddler having a tantrum. There’s nothing you can do or say to that toddler
to get them to calm down. Have you ever experienced this? They’re crazy. screaming and crying, And you can’t get anywhere with them
validate their feelings, which is what we need to do with each other. Same thing, like we’re just grown up kids. Validate the feeling, I see you’re really upset about this my goodness, I’m so sorry. And then once they’re like, ⁓ yeah, I’m a couch to my banana, then they realize you see them where they’re at, they’re willing to talk reason to you. If you’re like, stop crying, this isn’t a big deal. what’s wrong with you?
They’ll continue to wail and scream and holler and They’re not hearing anything you say. It’s the same thing.
so much bias out there and so many different opinions limited information, especially when it comes to these kinds of things that things we’re not seeing. So what can you speak to that, Joey, of your experience in intuition and navigating issues like this?
Joey (12:22)
Well, one thing what you were talking about makes me think of is video I saw recently. There was a woman who was looking at the news and seeing that each news source was different. So she decided she was going out and see what was actually happening. Completely neutral viewpoint.
When she talked to the protesters and explained that they harassed her, they mocked her, one of them even threatened her with a knife. When she talked to the ICE agents, they calmly explained their viewpoint and what they were doing. If only one side’s talking, no one’s gonna learn anything from the other side.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:05)
And as far as your relationship with God, how has He helped you understand current events in a way that maybe you wouldn’t if you didn’t have faith in God or a go to Him for your answers?
Joey (13:19)
There’s a lot of wisdom in scripture and you can find many parallels to what’s going on today in there if you do reading think through how does this apply today, what’s similar today, and that’s helped make a lot of things make sense and exposed why some things are problems.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:37)
would you give us some scriptural examples you have come across
inspired and helped you?
Joey (13:43)
can never remember the names of the verses, but I seen a lot of references to importance order and law. You just death, and destruction if you don’t enforcement, and if you keep letting it slide and get more chaotic, it eventually just falls apart. There’s many examples in history of that as well.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (13:46)
Mm-hmm. Now I’m I’m similar.
Mm-hmm.
Joey (14:08)
in scripture it also gives examples of immigration and how that’s supposed to look.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:15)
and based on your study, what would you say that God has to say about immigration?
Joey (14:21)
I would say based on it, you need to respect the country you’re going to, respect its laws, go there legally. People who here illegally do have the opportunity leave and apply to come back the right way.
people that are and causing chaos that’s showing love that’s full of and goes against of the biblical principles.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:48)
I think people would disagree with this one I would tend to agree if you’re coming to another country your culture and your love for past and your history that makes you who you are but also be willing to assimilate to the culture.
that you’re coming into and country you’re coming to assimilate to yours.
Joey (15:08)
Even if keep things from your culture, you don’t need to everyone else to change.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:14)
Right. think it’s showing a lot of respect and the country you’re coming bring what you have and learn what you can from those in your new country.
Joey (15:24)
Exactly. Many years ago when this country was formed by immigration, people were coming here, they were learning the language, they were learning the culture, they were adding a little bit of their culture to our culture, but it was very peaceful, it was very organic, they weren’t trying to everything from their culture in or in and ignore the way we do it and change.
It was much process been going on lately.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:54)
Yeah, and I think in the Bible, a lot of it surrounded being godly. Like if you’re a pagan nation and you’re coming godly one, like the Jewish nation, then you need to our way of life some extent. Like we’re not going to force you to worship, but don’t bring your pagan gods, please. I think that’s kind of isn’t that what happened? I’m not super, super biblical scholar. I want to be someday.
Joey (16:12)
Right.
That’s part of it.
Yeah, that’s part of it. I can’t remember the exact details of that, but some people that were coming in were trying to of change alter the nation they were moving into to believe in their gods. ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:32)
Which is why
separation of church and
think it’s so inspired
government needs to stay out of religion and religion needs to stay out of government and commerce. And whenever you introduce lobbying and money laundering is almost always the result down the
with that said, current weather is fear and anxiety for the future and worrying about what’s going to happen next and what this means for our country all the things going on, people are scared and angry.
What can we do?
Joey (17:03)
The enemy likes to spread fear and division and that’s actual root problem.
way to fix that is to people who don’t share your beliefs. Ask them they believe what you don’t understand. Have respectful conversations. I have friends who different political views and we’re able to discuss those and they have a lot more respect and understanding when they see the why, even though we don’t come to the same end conclusion.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (17:34)
Mm-hmm. I totally agree. We need to be talking and we need to be practicing, even if you do it imperfectly. And Try again. I think this attitude of we never talk about politics and we never talk about religion we are not understanding each other. And where there’s a lot of assumptions and a lot division around how can you believe that? Again, like that makes you bad. You must be stupid.
Joey (17:52)
yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (18:01)
because we’re not really you know, spouting things on social media or seeing these clips, but such a narrow approach and such a
low-level
thinking.
And if someone absolutely does not want to talk OK, I can respect that. I encourage you to make that change to be the one willing to do something I couple of years ago, I had someone
reach out to me on social media because they liked my blog post. I was like, awesome. I have one fan. And we got into some conversations via Messenger about the current events. could agree on some things, but we disagreed on a stuff. had a very conservative mother and a very liberal father. And so he lived in a household where there was a lot disagreement, but they had a good marriage. And so he was very good at
talking through things and he literally wanted to know my opinion and see my side and we didn’t always agree and it was very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable for me because I was very unpracticed. I hadn’t done this much and when I tried it hadn’t gone very well. Let’s just put it that way. And having someone to kind of banter with who wasn’t going to get offended think it was also good.
would just walk away from the text for a while and then come back to it once I thought through what I wanted to say and be able to say in a respectful manner. And it was hard. like every time hear the ding from him and I’d see it was him, I’d go, ⁓ because was very uncomfortable. I almost didn’t want to read what he had to say. But again, it was so good for me. It was so good for me.
and required lot of discipline and patience and Christ-like attitude and prayer. Like, please help me, Lord. Please help me not elevated about this, because we ourselves to just listen. won’t get that boiling in our system that goes blah anymore if we train ourselves enough. But we can’t train ourselves without the practice. is there anything else you would like to say
in regards to those who are struggling
Joey (19:55)
The best to be worried about the future or depressed about the is and a relationship with Christ. Know that the Lord has a bigger plan and the Lord is in control and has already won the fight in the end. And that makes it a lot easier to deal with whatever’s going on.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (20:14)
I agree. I mean, it’s a done deal. It’s not something that’s maybe or if or what if he loses. It’s done. it will look? Debatable. Everything leading from here to there. But it’s not something we really need to be worrying about. And if we’re worrying about it, we’re just wasting energy we can’t control sleep when we could within our own families and communities that can make a difference.
you again, Joey. I appreciate you so much taking the time out. I know you’re very busy and I think you’re amazing. yeah.
Joey (20:47)
Thank
you. It was a pleasure to join you on here.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (20:51)
So next I have John who is a frequenter on this podcast.
with us and I appreciate you hopping on, I know you had some technical issues, but you’re here now, yay! Woo woo!
John (21:02)
Yay, I know.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:04)
So, regarding, again, current events and how it relates to our mental health, depression, and relying on God amidst all of it, I want to hear some of your current events, ICE, the disagreements between us, why Satan thinks he’s winning.
John (21:08)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:23)
What he’s doing to try to mess us up so that we lose focus and get scared he wants us to be scared so if you’re scared Falling to his falling to exactly what he wants.
John (21:32)
his whims.
one of my friends brought this issue up after church and I disagreed with them to some extent because was the ICE agent But then he started going on about lady was crazy. This, this, this, this, everything that
the media had just been spouting out. Whereas my mind, when these sorts of events happen, I try to look at the initially, I’ll just say my thoughts on that whole shooting incident, it was a scenario should not have happened.
But it happened because I believe that those people were placed into that situation intentionally. are people out there that want to foster their own agendas. They want to get their own laws enacted or their own means of power. And one of the ways they do that is by fermenting conflict.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:36)
Mm-hmm.
John (22:36)
mean, it’s intentional. one of the things that I saw, So I’m going to come at this actually more from humanistic point of view. Say you people to become accustomed to having armed
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:44)
Yes,
John (22:51)
military walking around the streets. I saw one blogger put up a picture of what police used to look like, in the blues, the traditional blues, not even really with a side arm sitting there with people in the streets having a conversation.
This was back in like the 70’s, in the 80’s even. And they gave a picture of what the police now look like in full tactical gear with assault rifles. The same place, apart the world has changed. if your ultimate goal is to change police in the country into a more paramilitary,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:12)
Mm-hmm.
John (23:32)
formation, then you need create a scenario that forces the populace
or coerces
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:38)
it.
John (23:39)
accept this.
and one of the ways to
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:41)
of a combination
of both, right? Because you feel like you have to.
John (23:44)
Yeah,
And some of these people are not afraid to use innocence to in fact, they use innocence all the time. here’s how I look at it. If you open the borders and allow many, many illegal immigrants to come into the country, I’m going to say a lot of those
people coming into the country are interested in the United States. know, people, just trying to look for a better life, trying to escape hardships or horrors may be in their original countries. And I don’t fault them for wanting a better life, either for themselves or their children or whatnot.
However, when you have it unrestricted, you also get the undesirables. Because a lot of these other countries like to send their criminals into other countries because then they don’t have to deal with it. They’ll let America deal with it. And that’s what some of these people hoped and desired.
is the more and more of this criminal element gets into the United States under the ruse of immigration naturally and let me get this
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:02)
kindness. Yeah, like being
John (25:06)
Right. And then these elements begin to cause trouble. radicalized probably from their own countries or they might have a lot of mental issues already, a criminal background, and they start causing issues and problems here in America. And as this begins to spread, begin to,
injure Americans, Americans begin to call, hey can’t deal with these criminals, we need a stronger force. So then they start calling on the government to create a stronger opposition next thing you know here comes the National Guard, here comes ICE agents to counteract.
these criminals and in the process many innocents are crossfire. it’s always been known that there’s been a group of these people that do these severe protests that are being paid they even now have caught some of them on video.
I mean, they’re so so emboldened actually told yeah, I’m getting paid right now. I’m getting paid to protest. Just blatant. now you have these paid protesters is to cause problems.
When you in ICE that are really trying to criminals, then you dissenters interact, stirring the pot. what ends up happening is you two groups of diametrically thrown into a big pot.
eventually something happens. Something is going to off. And that’s where I see this ice shooting. that as a very outcome is a result of somebody putting those two groups intentionally together. It so happens to happen to this guy, this woman. They were the unlucky ones.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (27:01)
Yeah,
I would say that every person on this planet some shade of gray. There’s not a bad guy and a good guy like in the movies. Usually there’s like a core to the bone evil guy. And then there’s just the good guy who’s just all good for the most part with maybe a few flaws. But we tend to see the world through that filter. It’s not true. That woman, not all bad. Me.
John (27:28)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (27:30)
Not all bad, not all good. Some good, some bad, right? And we’re told not to judge. We are commanded not to judge. Be an observer. Look at it, consider it. Stop making judgments. Because you could have a million different people see the same thing in broad daylight, It could be a stadium watching an event take place. And every single one of those million people would have a different perspective on it.
John (27:38)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (27:55)
And if all of those million people had a camera and showed all their camera footage online, then it would then be interpreted by millions of people who have their own skewed perspectives and biases millions number of You have to consider also how this all plays into the way you see yourself and why you see the world through the filter you do is probably because there’s some aspect of yourself that you are judging very, very harshly, which keeps us in depression.
John (27:55)
Exactly.
gets me is the designed for ratings on negativity and they foster stories that I’m talking general media, ABC, CBS, Fox News, whoever. want to generate ratings, they use negativity, they take a politically charged position in order to do that.
so many people out there focus on one channel and they’ll get all their news from then I see these outcomes. For instance, at our church one of the prayers, the person leading the prayer also going to offer these prayers on behalf of the woman that was killed.
There’s nothing wrong with praying for somebody regardless. I mean, we want everybody to be saved. And there were people, even my ex there were people in the church after the prayer was done that walked up and complained and said, why did we pray for a blah, blah, blah, blah type of person? praying that the
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:10)
Even your ex.
need them the most!
John (29:26)
And I’m, this is place I would expect to hear that. again, they’re just being swayed by the media, just wrong.
told friend, he was discussing wow, know, ICE is now justified in shooting and doing what needs to be done to take care of this problem once and for all. And I’m like, all right. And then Trump is no longer president, we get somebody else in.
What happens if he starts to use that same force using those laws against you? He’s like, ⁓ no, you know, no, that’s not going. I said, I hope it doesn’t happen, but. can change on a dime. that’s why I said I’m like a third position. I’m looking at this. I’m like, I understand both sides, but I also see this third side where these powers could be used.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:04)
yes it does.
John (30:21)
in the wrong way. It is a very slippery slope seen evidence of individuals abuse power. They’ve done it before throughout history actually one of concerns because I see that happening.
see that possibility. I pray that it doesn’t happen. Time will tell if you know my fears are justified or I should say my concerns because I’m not really afraid. I find it all kind of fascinating just watching the whole process going about. But that’s that’s
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:54)
Yeah. And you talked about feeling
forced to do something, right? So problem that you talked about earlier with the criminals coming into the country, coming full circle, Trump felt inclined, I’m assuming, to send troops in because it’s become such a dire issue people, how are we going to get ourselves out of this without at the same time,
John (31:12)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:17)
it’s gray whether it’s constitutional or not. You national emergency or not, it’s setting a for exactly what you described and that’s what’s I think scaring a lot of people.
John (31:27)
normalization of armed military or military-like law on the streets as a regular view. That’s other…
countries do. I’ll say like socialist countries. I mean you see that in North Korea, you see that in Russia, you see that in Venezuela, you see that in the Mideast. That’s how they control their populace. Where America was founded on the belief the police officers live in the community. They know the people of their community, friends with them.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:48)
Mm-hmm.
John (32:03)
It’s a very social interaction, so you don’t need that heavy-handed approach. And the problem that comes into play is you’re forced to use a heavy-handed no familiarity between law and the citizen. And that sets up the potential for of
shooting type incidents when you don’t understand the other person or don’t take time to understand. And again, I’m not taking sides. I’m just looking at this from a neutral and seeing how things have panned out in other countries. This is like how it always started because you really want a good example, since Venezuela is in the news, you should study Venezuela and see exactly happened when
their government fell, their police changed. like when you look at some of these other countries, it Sarajevo? these countries were really rich, prosperous And then something happened, it crashed, and then it became these over time. It’s the same playbook.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:08)
Mm-hmm.
John (33:11)
over and over and over again. Well, in this case I’ll say Satan.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:12)
And who’s behind it, John? Who’s behind the same playbook?
That’s what I was gonna say.
John (33:22)
on the religious perspective on this, yeah, Satan, this is where a strong moral and religious view is really necessary for people to have.
he’s already won. he’s a liar, deceiver, and that’s his greatest
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:40)
Can you
John (33:41)
don’t know that you’re in danger you don’t know the threat. Let’s see, a good analogy for
you’re walking down the street, brick is falling and nobody says anything, that brick hits you, totally blindsided and sometimes it might be too late. do bad things. Exactly. So that’s the best… Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (34:01)
Maybe it’s enough to make you start believing in bricks.
at which time you can you can win next time
John (34:13)
But that first impact, trust me, it’s a doozy. When people say they don’t believe in Satan, don’t believe there’s an evil force out there, he’s there, he’s acting, he is every negative emotion. God is the source of every good thing. He’s love.
He is hope. He is joy. is the source of all good things. Satan is the diametrical opposite because Satan rejected everything God is. by doing so, Satan embraces negativity, anger, hatred, depression.
So all those negative influences really stem from him. One-third of the angels fell because of his influence. And he wants humanity to fall too. He doesn’t want God to win. can’t hurt God directly because God is his
So the only thing Satan can do, is hurt his creation. By By harming them. Exactly.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (35:15)
His children. I cannot think of anything worse. think of my kids.
no, not my babies. Not my babies. God has the perfect perspective to know that this whole thing is for our good. And you’re going, what? all the evil in the world? Listen Nine, had a near-death experience. He has good view on that. But ahead and continue with
John (35:22)
Yeah.
Satan to say, I made a mistake creating humanity.
Satan wants to hold up God’s creation, his children, and look, they followed me, not you. You failed. You said that they would follow you, but they didn’t. And that’s and God having a better plan, it’s not working out the way Satan exactly thought. Satan has run into numerous roadblocks because
I history keeps replaying itself and that’s because Satan has tried this same plan over and over and over again and every time it works for a little while and then typically God intervenes and then it all falls apart and Satan’s thrown back to the drawing board. You know, he has to start all over again and it’s just been replaying throughout history because
Satan’s that Satan does not want to admit he’s made a mistake.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:35)
would you say that he’s made it farther time around than any other time? Because that’s kind of the feeling
John (36:41)
I would say from my religious perspective, from my personal encounters with God and the things I’ve seen and some of the prophecies I’ve read from various mystics out there even some that by the church,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:55)
Catholic Church.
John (36:56)
yes.
time frame that we are living in right now is the worst, even more so than the time of Noah as far as the fall of humanity. the sheer number of humans that embraced Satan’s teachings, his philosophies,
And they do his bidding the earth,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:20)
too. We got AI, internet, it speeds things along pretty fast, on the same token, it can also speed up the good. in both and they’re both becoming more as the wicked is more wicked than it’s ever been, those who embrace the light and the brighter than it’s ever been as well. There’s so much and we have a savior.
John (37:41)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:43)
And He’s gonna save us, so when it gets bad enough, how bad is that gonna be?
John (37:44)
And it’s, yeah, this has also some of the and God has said through some of the saints humanity born this time period.
So while the darkness is at its greatest point, evil is there, but so too because of Jesus. The souls are coming out of this fire that are devoted to God are going to have such a strong be so beautiful it makes everything worthwhile in the end. has a
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:01)
Mm.
John (38:23)
great ability the darkest evil. And I would say that’s one of the things that really makes Satan mad. It’s like no matter what he does, God always finds a way to bring good out of it. even though Satan doesn’t want to do what God tells him to do, Satan being Satan, doing what he’s doing, he’s still helping God. And it makes him mad.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (38:46)
Yeah, he’s got a silver lining
every single time. like, want to read a quote because I think it’s kind of funny, but it’s by James E. Garfield. And he says, the truth will set you free, but first it can make you miserable. And I think that’s kind of because can seem it can seem dismal and bleak and dark.
And when you look at what’s actually happening in the world and you don’t turn a eye to it and you study Isaiah, everything, you know, kind of falls apart. make you kind of depressed, right? For a while until you realize that we’re here for a reason, that it’s going to be okay. That all of it is agency is such a beautiful gift.
And where a lot of people, all of us at times use it pretty the only way it, it always was only way grow and to become more like God, to have that understanding. If we’re not experiencing things, if we’re not seeing the good, the bad, and the ugly and experience it even
John (39:28)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (39:47)
more of a, I guess intuitive at knowing amount of that something will cause before it happens. And I’m one of those. So before something happens, or when it’s happening to someone else, I’m so visionary. And I’ve been this way since I was a child, which made it hard not to be because I could see how much people, my friends, in the community, the world,
John (39:56)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:09)
all of it. I could see the pain humanity was causing each other. And almost like when I experienced different things for myself throughout my life that I envisioned I wasn’t surprised It wasn’t like, wow, this is harder than I thought. was, this is pretty much exactly as as I thought it would be. Most people have to go through it.
John (40:09)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:28)
And if you’re one of those that You don’t understand until experience something to do it vicariously. That’s a gift I have, that’s gift God gave to me. Most of us have to experience it ourselves. But if you haven’t, or you haven’t experienced vicariously, you can imagine what it would be like, but it’s different, okay? Do not judge.
give people the benefit of the doubt. Brene I love this by Brene Brown, that assume the best in others and your life will be so much easier. And it’s true. Don’t judge. Assume they were doing their best, even if their best was terrible. It takes the burden off. Like You can’t make them do what you think they should.
John (40:59)
Right.
Yeah, and I’m going to say too, I see the overall picture. That’s my gift. But if all you can see is a piece,
If that’s way your life is, there’s nothing wrong with that. Focus on that piece. You don’t have to see the overlying picture because that’s God’s job. God is making the tapestry. You’re just making the thread. that one it okay to know what’s going on in the world? Yeah. What’s going on in the country as a whole? Yes.
that going to directly involve me at this moment in my little town, in my little state so far away? And the answer is
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (41:50)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and that’s not to say doesn’t impact us as a, you know, cause moving pieces start to make things roll, you know, even if it’s far away. But can you really control the situation? Can you really do anything to make it better or worse? No, not really. So why are we, like, just, you have to focus on where you fit in and doing what God needs you to be doing. Because if you’re not, you’re going to be distracted
John (41:59)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:18)
from what you’re supposed to be doing. There is a quote by Russell M. Nielsen. recently away. I consider him prophet my church, the Church of Jesus Christ. And he said, 2021. me like a ton of bricks. And most people didn’t even notice this, because it of an overall talk, and he didn’t focus on it very long. this is what stood out most to me.
If most of the information you get comes from social or other media, your ability to hear the whisperings of the Spirit will be diminished. Make your spiritual foundation firm and able to stand the test of time by doing the things that allows the Holy Ghost to be with you always. What are you doing to stay connected to God? The more you are connected to God, less mental health issues you will have, the less have because you are connected to God, one with all the truth.
and the truth really does dispel If you think you know the truth, but you’re massively you’re being deceived on a lot of levels and you have to let go of those lies if you’re going to heal. And so my challenge to those listening is to looking at social media. looking at social media.
things with your life and then ask God questions about the things that you saw that may have concerned you. But don’t go diving into these algorithms that are gonna feed you. And it’s really hard to overcome if in lies half-truths. And like you’ve said many times before, John,
John (43:24)
If
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (43:42)
Satan will feed you 100 truths that may be in the form of little clips on social media and shorts if he can get you to believe one lie. And that one can be all that it takes to destroy you. So.
John (43:55)
And if you have any doubts as far as whether or not you should trust social Currently there is six companies run all the media in the world. Six everything. Jennifer has talked about food.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:07)
6.
John (44:12)
And I sent her this one too. There’s 12 companies that control all the food that is produced.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:21)
Yeah, Joey sent me something really cool about a couple that
have a YouTube channel, they’re for people to shop locally, their local butcher, their local chicken, farm person and many good reasons, including this one, that if we’re not supporting our own communities, it all goes to these big corporations who are then controlling us through these mediums. So is your money going?
John (44:43)
don’t be controlled.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:45)
Where’s your money make a difference by where you spend your dollar. You really can. And encourage commerce in your community rather than it to the capitalists who care about you. Kind of like the police where they don’t see you. not in touch with you community. Not really, other than how to manipulate you to buy their stuff. So with that said, this has been kind deep dive for those who struggle with depression. We’re not trying to make you more depressed.
John (44:50)
huh.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (45:10)
We’re trying to make look at things just a little bit differently so you can get out of depression. And if this makes you feel more depressed, that’s maybe normal. We’re trying to offer you hope though, so that you can pull yourself on the other side and start, if you start looking at things differently, again, like James Garfield says, at first it’ll make you miserable. When you start seeing the truth, it’s like, ooh, ow, even when you’re looking at yourself. I don’t wanna see that. That makes me feel worse about myself. I don’t wanna see it, right?
John (45:14)
Think.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (45:38)
But as you start to love those parts that you hate, that you don’t want to see, and letting it go and giving it to Christ so that he can heal you, that’s when the miracles start to happen. You have to be brave enough to take a step into the dark in order to be healed. the step into the dark isn’t closer to Satan We’re saying, you don’t know. You don’t know what’s going to happen. You’re like, but I’m scared. Take a step into what you don’t know. Not into darkness, but you know what I’m saying.
John (45:57)
Hahaha
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (46:04)
With that said,
we do want to offer hope and healing for those suffering from depression on this podcast. And so if you’re still here, we thank you for all the way through. We hope that this has enlightened you in some With that said, we will have more content for you next week So again, we appreciate you. We love you.
and we’ll see you
time.
John (46:25)
Take care.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (46:25)
With that
I want a our
President Russel M. Nelson (46:28)
You may have had days when you wished you could don your pajamas, curl up in a ball, and that’s something to awaken you in that turmoil.
But my dear brothers and sisters, so many wonderful things are ahead. In coming days, we will see the greatest manifestations of the Savior’s power that the world has ever seen.
between now and the time he returns.
He will bestow countless privileges, blessings, and miracles upon the faithful. ⁓
Nonetheless, we are presently living in what surely is a most complicated time in the history of the world. The complexities and challenges leave many people feeling overwhelmed and exhausted. I weep over your heartaches, disappointments, and worries.
⁓ I assure you that our Heavenly Father and his beloved Son Jesus Christ love
They are intimately aware of your circumstances, your goodness, your needs, and your prayers for help.
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