Chronically Depressed? Symptoms of Depression Don’t have to Dominate Your Life!
If you are chronically depressed, symptoms of depression and symptoms of anxiety may hold the clues you need to heal! In this episode of the Overcome Depression Podcast, you will learn how to ask the right questions, learn to “tune into my intuition,” and “heal my relationships”—especially the relationship you have with God and yourself.
As you learn to patiently wait for divine timing, you can use both logic and faith to confront your current beliefs, leading to more spiritual clarity in your life. Whether you struggle with anxiety or depression, or you simply want to improve how you relate to yourself and others, this conversation is for you!
This episode of the Overcome Depression Podcast is for you if you want to learn:
- How to use your intuition to gain clarity during emotional confusion or distress
- What questions to ask (and avoid) to get the right answers
- How to balance and understand the energetic difference between emotions and logic
- Why timing can be as important as action when making decisions and considering new relationships
- How to counteract the feelings of being chronically depressed, identify symptoms of depression, and identify symptoms of anxiety
- How technology influences our emotional states and belief systems
- Why lifelong learning is essential for emotional resilience and mental health
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Full Transcript: Episode 46: Chronically Depressed? Three Questions to Ask
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:00)
Bad question. Let’s talk about some bad questions you really like this person, you wanna marry him, should I marry this person? can I marry this person? Is that okay? I think I’ve said that before, like for things I wanted. Is it okay if I do this, And I think most the time He’s gonna be like, yeah, it’s okay.
if that’s the only thing you’re asking me then sure, but you didn’t bother to ask me anything else. I have a better idea, but okay, go ahead. don’t think in most cases He would tell you, no, don’t marry a good person. Even it’s the best person for you. You know what I mean? Like if this is what you want, okay, you’ll Right, like if-
John (00:17)
and
It’s called free will. He kill will
offer suggestions. He will offer what would be best, but it’s still up to you to make that decision. You have to ask.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (00:42)
But you kind of have to ask. Most of time, you
kind of have to ask. And I think most of us know when we’re kind of off, but we want something really bad, so we don’t want to ask.
Here on the Overcome Depression podcast, we will always encourage you to use your powerful intuition so that you can sort through all the noise out there and more easily discover the path and solutions that God knows will work for you so that you can overcome depression and kiss that sucker goodbye forever and ever. That is my hope for you. Which brings us to the question, What questions do we need to be asking so that we can get those clear answers
for ourselves? And that’s not always super uber clear when you’re struggling with depression. I know that it was pretty cloudy for me and it took seeing that little bit of light through the clouds and starting to get those little answers and getting comfortable with that muscle intuition and clearer and clearer answers to my questions getting that practice and maybe asking people I trusted, does this feel right to you? This is what I’m getting.
are more seasoned in their intuition, so I would encourage anyone listening to go back and listen to episode 8 if you haven’t already. It’s all about how unique way of receiving intuition can help you to get the answers that you need for this program your life in general. quite a few different ways of receiving intuition. And if you’re not familiar with yours, number 8 can…
start to help you possibly identify and start moving forward in how you listen to God. So with that said, I was struggling with depression, which was I want to say 16-17 years ago now, I’ve learned to ask much more specific questions than I was raised to ask. I feel I was raised to be kind of vague.
in questions that I asked request things regularly, but I didn’t necessarily seek the kind of understanding about and how the spiritual of things works until was farther on in my progress. And I started realizing that my perceptions of the world were quite flawed. And I would venture to say that if you are depressed with anxiety or any other mental disorder, you are so
delusional because you believe in so many lies that there’s quite a lot through see that light again. But learning how ask the right questions is one of those steps. So with that said, John is with me here today. We’re going to talk about how to phrase questions, what’s maybe best not to ask, and better and worse ways of
taking a getting answer because it can be very confusing. can be challenging if you’re not used to asking questions in a way can receive a clear answer. So generally speaking, I’ve learned to avoid why and how because of those kind of denote a
John (03:30)
challenging yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (03:45)
lack of lack of trust. And I don’t want to foster that in me, even if like, I don’t understand this, I’m confused why. But vocalizing the power of the voice. if we understood our words, we would watch them. would not be so casual about the things that we say, because they affect the physical world around us.
and spiritually the things that are going on as well. But asking how will this work? How will this happen? How will I get through this? It’s pointless because there is a way. And I’ve been given the how. It’s, this, Jennifer. Huh? Do this. I don’t know how that’s going to work. But as I move forward, the how becomes apparent because God had a plan that I can’t foresee.
The why, again, why me? Why should I do this? Again, just kind of fruitless and pointless to ask why. I ask why all the time out of curiosity, but if you’re stalling or of cynical it’s counterproductive, if that makes sense.
John (04:48)
Yeah, there’s always a starting point But one of the things I always teach my students one of the phrases I do not want to hear from them is I don’t know Because
You want me to help you solve something looking at me and saying, I don’t I don’t get That literally tells me nothing. all it tells me is you don’t understand the problem. And I tell them, you have to word your question Look at your, look at the, right. Say, you look at the problem.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (05:16)
Well, it’s not even a question. It’s a barrier.
John (05:22)
point out and say, I don’t understand this step and point to it. I don’t understand why you’re substituting this here. the type I ask my students because if you are specific like that, then I have a better understanding of where you need help. And then I can actually
help you and guide you But if you just throw up a general question like why, of course one of the best ones, why do we have to learn this math? We’re never going to use it. Why, why, why? the most common question I get as a teacher. So I am with Jennifer when I say no to the whys.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (06:09)
as an Aquarius, want to know the why behind everything. But again, it’s kind of the energy behind that why. Is it curiosity? Is it excitement for learning and seeing what comes? Or is it that cynicism of, you know, why? if you’re struggling how ask questions, I would
For now, just get rid of the hows and the whys when you’re talking to God. And see if you can just use the who, what, when. Because those tend to be a lot more directive and specific. for some people this might seem a little far-fetched, but let’s start with who and some examples of what that might sound like. Who am I right now?
If you’re empathic or you have certain characteristics about the way that you operate, it’s very easy for some people to absorb the energy of other people regularly or on a very consistent basis and to be acting
as someone else. So the anger that you might be feeling. Yes, someone might’ve irritated you, but the volume with which it’s exploding, is that really yours? Or is it somebody else who struggles with anger that around? Or if you are, feeling really unmotivated and you just don’t want to do anything, is that your unmotivated?
Or are you feeling the unmotivation from someone else? And in a family unit where you’re around each other quite a bit, you can practice and identify especially with a spouse or children or how you might be or absorbing or responding to the energy of other people. And you can quite literally how to identify and filter through those things and choose what you’re going to take and what you’re going to leave behind
so that you’re not constantly at the mercy of everybody else’s emotions, feelings, and actions, and carrying things that do not belong to you. not always easy to do, it can be kind of a fun game, like who’s, is this, am I at this moment? can also help you get to know people you care and empathize with them and be like, intensity that I’m feeling this, they feel that all the
that’s hard, but have to take that take on everybody else’s stuff. So give it to the Lord or ask the Lord to take it so that you can start to feel you again, if that makes sense. I that might be a little deep for some people, but I found that that can be very helpful in working even like, I’m talking diseases, sickness, like for real. There’s been times when I have felt
other people. One time for months I could not figure out what was going on with my body. And I thought, should I go doctor? Am I in trouble? Lord said, nope, isn’t you. This is energy. my gosh, whose energy is it? And it wasn’t clear at first. It took me three months to figure out who it was. Once I did, for them. I prayed to be lifted for me as well. And the symptoms stopped. So sometimes symptoms.
of sickness and disease or depression aren’t even yours. It’s kind of crazy how this works, but some of us were designed, to have this life experience where we can learn a lot, how so many other people operate. And that can be a lot, and I think that’s why a lot of people suffer from anxiety and depression, because they’re feeling all of this energy and they don’t know what to
do with it or how to handle it or how to process it’s not even theirs to begin with and then getting past all that and then be like, okay, now I get to deal with mine. They haven’t even been able to deal with theirs because they’re dealing with everybody else’s.
John (09:45)
I was going to piggyback on that when you said, sometimes people find this difficult. One of the ways that I found how to deal things is to understand it from a logical perspective. I know when people fall into depression or anger, it’s usually those emotions that you sense, especially when you talk about being empathic. if you are suffering like that, do not
be afraid to consult your logical mind. It’s there. We are composite. We have emotion, but we also have logic, reason. And a lot of times when you fall into these negative effects, it’s because the negative control, which is why in those cases you have to learn how to trust
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (10:14)
Mm-hmm.
John (10:36)
the logic of you, the reason inside of can help you separate emotions. And it is a awesome to have, need both. So I’m going I know one of my early mistakes, issues were happening to me,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (10:49)
You do. Yeah.
John (10:55)
is I literally became two I developed a way to separate my emotions from my logic. I was a very emotional typically feelings of rage, anger, I could be very was unfeeling.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:15)
I would call that fractioned or fractured, You almost have to bring those two together.
John (11:15)
distant
very fractioned it wasn’t
Right.
exactly what happened. one event occurred that I could not process. that was when my fiance was murdered. I got hit with such a brain couldn’t handle it And both sides fell apart at the same time.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:41)
Mm-hmm.
John (11:42)
And when I came out of all of this, there was no longer the two separate pieces. They to the way it was originally intended. I was no longer the two mindsets. I was just a single mindset after that point.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (11:55)
Well, and that’s
so true. I feel like with what I was dealing with, it took breaking my heart into a million pieces because a broken heart is really the only thing God has to work with. And sometimes we’re just so hard that until that gets broken and we give Him the opportunity to put us back together, more whole than we were before more perfected,
Sometimes it like that, which it did for me. It took really massive heartbreak to that humility, that softness to even be possible for me. And I think a lot of people are so hurt, so guarded it takes things like to break open and soften so that He can have an effect in our lives again. we can feel, I know that
I started understanding the way rage worked because that was a real huge Achilles heel for me. when I would be losing my mind in a rage, because there was kind of this point of no return where something else took over and I was no longer in control. And I started seeing my spirit way up here, looking down at myself and going, no, no, no, please, not again.
I can’t watch. And because the moment was so intense and traumatic, and this happened to me in trauma there was this split that would occur I’d be up here couldn’t handle it, too hard, too much, too much emotion, watching this thing play out. And then it was hard to reconnect again, almost I wasn’t grounded in my own body. so I started visualizing
from my past or even if something had happened five minutes ago, I would that spirit back like summoning it, like in the name of Jesus Christ, please re-enter, connect to my body 100 % then feel my feet on the ground, just boom, like get that spirit all the way asking for that connection again because that rage would just create this split in me
that when I started recognizing that I had that, okay, I need to bring this back. And as I started doing that visualization, it got more and more easy to not have a split, to recognize what was happening when I was angry instead of saying I’ll never do that again. yeah.
John (14:08)
when that
happened, what question did you ask yourself how did you start questioning what event happened or
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (14:12)
Yeah, good question. What
do I do to remedy this? the step, Lord. I felt like ask it to come back. I saw the wrong that was occurring. And instead of going, why is that happening? Like, I kind of had this understanding of why. And why do you let this happen, Lord? It’s horrible.
John (14:29)
yeah, why God why do you and that’s part of looking at the bigger picture. I was telling Jennifer of an incident that a few weeks back with me cause me to get angry?
Was it justified? Was it unjustified? Was the problem within me? I start one of my Two-edged swords I always question I instinctively all the time. I’m always thinking I never except when I go in the empty room
that’s how I relax sometimes just an empty room. But if I’m not there, questioning myself. I’m questioning God. And that’s just the way I information.
when I first started learning, I kept asking
why
over and over again. like, is this happening? God, why do you allow this to occur? instead of asking for the answer, I was just throwing the question and
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:24)
And even a better question
I think would be, rather what can I do, which is important, but what can you do? What do I need to ask of you? Or what information you give to me right now that will help me through this? Who do I need doctor do I need to see? Will you guide me to the right person? Whenever I’m feeling sick or like something I can’t I will pray.
John (15:32)
Right.
do I talk to?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (15:47)
who is it? I don’t just go to my regular doctor. I don’t even have one. I have a handful of people my circle and I’ll say, who? Or is there someone completely different that I have never met before? Do I need to go to Google today? And literally, I’ll let Him guide me to healer for that particular problem.
John (16:02)
Exactly and
and one of the things that you have to realize which is you have to be willing to accept the answer you’re given Even if you don’t necessarily agree with it personally, you know
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:15)
Now I think that is the number
one reason people don’t want to ask questions. It’s fear of the answer. yeah, like am I gonna get the answer I want? Is it gonna be hard? And almost like not wanting to know, cause then if you know, then you’re held accountable for going through or not. But I think we’re held more accountable for what we don’t ask, to be frank. If we’re too scared.
John (16:21)
Yeah, because they answer.
yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:41)
to ask anything.
John (16:41)
If-
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (16:41)
I went through a period of about a year or two where I stopped asking questions because I was so gun shy. I felt like I had been tricked. I wasn’t sure by who. If it was Satan who tricked me and I was just a really or if God had betrayed me somehow because I just could not make sense of my husband leaving me. I just couldn’t understand because I felt so strongly marrying him.
But then what I learned later is that had to learn something very important. And that is that I got an answer of yes, is your person. on the right track, right path. But then I assumed that that was a forever answer. This is my husband. And when I felt something shift, something was off, something was amiss, something was wrong, I thought, no.
That’s just Satan trying to scare me. I need to go through with this. Even though there was something in me said very strongly, he will not fight for you. very clear. He will not fight for you. things get hard, going to be the one fighting. He won’t. And I was like, it’ll be fine. It was not fine. I went through with it. I should have asked again. When things change and you feel that
something is amiss. Ask again because sometimes the choices of others, agency, things change. And what was right a year ago may not be right right now. And that was the case with my first marriage too. I felt so strongly that I was supposed to marry him and I think I was. Ten years down the road, had changed. I needed to separate even though I thought no, I’d married this guy in the temple.
I’m supposed to stay with him forever. That’s the plan, right? I can’t leave. And it took a lot of beating to get to the point where, ⁓ gosh, you’re trying to tell me I should leave? Holy cow, why would you tell me that? There’s that why again. Why would you tell me to leave? I don’t understand. But yeah, sometimes the answers are hard to understand, but trusting that peace.
John (18:27)
And the other.
Yeah
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (18:50)
The P-E-A-C-E. The peace that accompanies you’ve got it. you’ve got it. you’ll get that feeling of, uh-huh,
John (18:59)
And part of that is learning how to trust God. know, when you ask the question and He gives you an answer that you might not understand or agree with, but then if you go with it, if you drop your own will and you accept His will and say, all right, I don’t get it. I don’t understand the answer you’ve given me.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (19:05)
I had to learn to trust again.
John (19:25)
But I am going to trust you. I’ll do what you said. Let’s go for it. And I’ve every time that I’ve done that things work it always works out in a way never expected. And it’s always ends up being better anything I myself could have imagined at the time.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (19:30)
Mm-hmm.
Sometimes it’s a connection, like just someone down that path you had to meet and this was the only way you were gonna do it. For me, the case when I moved down to Safford, Arizona. I did not wanna go. I was told by God, is gonna be hard. And I was like, why am I going? Like literally, this is going to be a miserable experience. And I’m like,
What? But you’re telling me to go? And I went. I followed my husband to Safford. That’s where he wanted to continue his business. And boy, was it ever. miserable hard. That was when we ended up in an RV. A lot of family drama. whole economy fell out from the bottom. were thousands upon thousands of dollars in business and school loans that we could not pay back.
Thought about declaring Didn’t do it. We negotiated the debt. But I met some people down there who absolutely changed my life. And had I not gone, my life would not be the same. And there’s things I learned about myself, about my husband, that I did that taught what Jennifer’s made of what a person can do. And I’m really grateful for that experience.
Would I want to it again? No. But Even if I did have to experience something similar, I think I’d be have the faith that I’m getting through I got through it before.
John (21:08)
Wisdom, wisdom is learned through experience, but then again, that’s a whole nother topic.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (21:09)
Yeah.
Alright.
Well, and something a really Bad question. Let’s talk about some bad questions you really like this person, you wanna marry him, should I marry this person? can I marry this person? Is that okay? I think I’ve said that before, like for things I wanted. Is it okay if I do this, And I think most the time He’s gonna be like, yeah, it’s okay.
if that’s the only thing you’re asking me then sure, but you didn’t bother to ask me anything else. I have a better idea, but okay, go ahead. don’t think in most cases He would tell you, no, don’t marry a good person. Even it’s the best person for you. You know what I mean? Like if this is what you want, okay, you’ll Right, like if-
John (21:36)
and
It’s called free will. He kill will
offer suggestions. He will offer what would be best, but it’s still up to you to make that decision. You have to ask.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:00)
But you kind of have to ask. Most of time, you
kind of have to ask. And I think most of us know when we’re kind of off, but we want something really bad, so we don’t want to ask.
I know I felt that. Yeah.
John (22:10)
And that was actually, yeah,
and that was actually given to a saint. actually talking the Virgin Mary, Jesus’ mom in a locution. And they said, why can’t you just send the angels help us? Why do we always have to keep asking? told is one of the rules put in place. He’ll help. He’ll always be there, but you have to
ask. So asking for help is one of those rules. If you do not ask for help, He’s just going to let you your own thing. ⁓
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (22:42)
That’s why that
pride cycle humbled through adversity and then when is it that people pray the hardest when life gets hard? Help me, help me. And then they’re asking for that clarity and questions and answers, right? But when life is good, why tap in? You know, I’m fine. And I think we all fall into that. I know I do. It’s an easy thing to do, but I love that. I love…
John (23:01)
Yes.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:07)
that perspective have believed that but I didn’t know a saint experienced that. So that’s really cool.
John (23:12)
Yes.
As far as bad questions go, I would a nutshell, a good question should always be asked in a positive manner. A bad question is when it’s in a negative manner. And what I mean by that is if you’re having an
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (23:22)
Uh-huh.
John (23:32)
argument with somebody and they could be getting on your nerves and you could be getting a little bit upset with them. of going, Who is this idiot? Why do they think they know more than I do? Instead of saying that you say, okay, where are we different? How is this affecting the conversation Who benefits? Is it more beneficial for me to continue with this conversation?
Or should I myself both of our sakes?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (24:00)
And where’s the common ground? If you can find that common ground, you can get a connect and you stop fighting so much you can kind of agree to disagree. Most of us want the same things. We just have a different way of going about getting what those things are, or we have a different idea of what that looks like.
John (24:02)
Right.
You can’t make a off of what’s happening right now present You can observe you can’t see everything Case in point, when I was in college, I was part of a prayer group and there was an individual who had joined
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (24:21)
Mm.
John (24:33)
They were not very religious. were searching and a lot of the things that they said were wrong. I mean, I’ll just say it that way. with a few others took the time to talk to them. We accepted them, where they were at. We talked to them. answered the questions as best as we could
after that one term they vanished, people and go and I didn’t think anything of it. Two years later, saw them walking I walked over it turns out in the two years since, they had become a Christian, they were
praying telling me all about that happened to him after that moment. and that was because as they said, they weren’t afraid to question their own beliefs and question themselves and they afraid to listen to what other people had to say took what it was worth. I always remember that because again,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:15)
you
Mm-hmm.
Right.
John (25:34)
plant seeds, but we never see plant from the seeds that are planted, the ripples. every so often an event like that will happen in my life. And I’m just blown away. I’m just like, wow, that’s what happened. God had me plant that seed years ago and now I’m seeing the after effect. I’m like,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (25:39)
Those ripples. Yeah.
John (25:55)
It goes back to the story of the mustard seed. for those of you that don’t know, you can research that one. It’s And it always starts with a always Not everybody gets the infused knowledge like we talked about last.
podcast wants you to question on the same token he wants you to ask the right the correct question.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (26:18)
So when you were talking, I seed and tree, a lot of trees, lot of beautiful trees, they’ll have maybe few branches or spots that maybe got a little diseased died off and those kind of need to be pruned off or taken away. And I think even as Christians, we need to be questioning the interpretation of
our faith. Not in a cynical way. Again, asking the right questions. Am I understanding this fully and correctly? And even, this is a good one. To what extent do I understand this, the truth, nothing but the truth, the whole truth, 100%? then ask for percentage and see what comes to you. 60%?
Arrogance, I think as Christians we can be very arrogant of this is how it is This is what the truth and being very firm and boxy about it When God can teach us so much more and we can learn so much from each other. I think all of the different faiths Have some things right that maybe the others Lost a little bit and if you start to put all the pieces together and cut off the
parts of your belief system that maybe aren’t, like they’re close, but it’s that dead branch that just needs to be cut off so that you can have that fullness. the perception is a lot of it too. You could be taught the right truth, but perceive it incorrectly. And so questioning, even as a Christian, your Christian beliefs, but in a faith-centered manner of, want to Is there any part of what I’m believing that isn’t quite accurate?
and can you give me more understanding of the truth as it is?
John (27:55)
And that’s a good way to look at things because the you think you know everything, that’s the moment you fall. say, like where I’m at now…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:03)
Some of the people I know
who’ve read the Bible front and back, know, smart, smart people, were the ones who had the least faith, ironically. Like, it’s kind of weird. Like, they read it as an intellectual, but they didn’t. Yeah.
John (28:13)
It’s.
You need to constantly learn. And the way explained it to me the whole here on earth is to learn how to love God. That’s reason. That’s as simple as that. Don’t the more I learn,
The more God reveals, I don’t know. And it’s a constant and it’s almost like a hunger. I will tell you I’m always hungry for more information. I’m always hungry for more stories. And the more I seek, the more I find. And the more I realize I need to go more, I need to go deeper and deeper. And that’s the nature of
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (28:37)
right.
John (28:58)
God and that’s what he presents for us and that’s the way live your life. You should never be satisfied understanding doesn’t mean that you cannot master something like if you could master an instrument but don’t be afraid to try things might not be good at that you just want to try.
a good example of that is every year try a different for Christmas. I make Christmas presents. I made ornaments. Another year I made candles. Another year I did painting. I say that I’m best in the world? No.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:22)
Hmm.
Yeah, but we’ve talked about
that before. That’s one of the earmarks of joy is trying new things, challenging yourself doing those creative ventures and the challenges, things that challenge your ego, I suppose, and breaks through some boundaries. That’s where joy comes from and delayed gratification. So if you’re not great at something right at the beginning, but
John (29:38)
It’s fun.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (29:55)
I wanted to back up just a little bit you talked about information. The information age, we’ve got it at our fingertips. We can ask Google anything we want. well, sorry, it’s more like chat GPT these days. it can like determine how we talk and talk back to us, make us feel all comfortable. Like this is my chat GPT is my bud. My son was saying that the other day. I’m like, don’t you ever forget that is not your friend.
John (30:03)
⁓ yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:19)
ever. It’s not. And media, the emotional appeal that they cater to because it boosts ratings. I we know this. And yet so many people fall for the assumptions of this is what happened, they show only they want to show, right? You don’t see the whole even if you were there, you only get to see from one angle.
John (30:20)
Yeah, it’s not.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (30:41)
You’re not God. You didn’t get to see every little piece that led up to this moment, right? And yet we make these impulse judgments about situations, about wars, about who was at fault, these riots occur. you see all the explosion on social media and all these people getting angry, and it’s like, just take a second and start asking God some questions about what you just saw. Is this what happened? Is there any AI involved?
John (31:04)
And I…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:09)
because that’s something that can happen Am I seeing the big picture? Is what they’re saying true? he or she at fault then when I’ll feel this kind of, this isn’t it. Like there’s something amiss here. There’s an agenda at play. I don’t know what it is. And I just sit and I wait. And I start asking questions and I wait for the
John (31:22)
You, you…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (31:33)
intuition to start coming. But sometimes it takes some time as different things come out and different information then feelings I have with the Ukraine war for example. I asked the Lord Is Putin doing the wrong thing for the right reason?
I got no and I thought surely he’s doing the wrong thing for the wrong reason and I got a no surprised me. Really? Did he do the right thing for the wrong reason? And I got solid yes.
gave me the foundation to through that filter of right thing for the wrong reason. And it helped me was lies what was more on the realm of truth. Because it’s really hard any of those things. There’s people making money on war. There’s so many things at play. But I’m like, I really was having a hard time with the narrative because I’m like,
Putin isn’t that stupid. Like I know he’s not a saint, but I know he’s not just invade he’s mad, you know? he’s smarter than that. just asking questions about what you see, the world around you, the media that you watch. Just take a minute and tame your emotions. Yeah, it can be infuriating the wrong, injustice. But then you have to sit back and say, are they playing on my emotions?
John (32:40)
Yeah.
And
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (32:58)
Is there more to this story than meets the eye?
John (33:01)
Exactly, and that goes into testing the answers that you’re given. I know especially like with the chat GPT I believe it was Rolling Stones released an article and said that chat GPT is breaking up more marriages any other AI program at the moment because people because it’s it’s Well, apparently chat
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:19)
Why? ⁓ shoot, I’m asking why. That’s a good why question.
John (33:25)
Chat GPT is designed to give a positive answer to the person that’s asking the questions. The perfect best. Exactly. So people are getting misled thinking that chat GPT is giving them all the answers.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (33:33)
the perfect answer and to do it in the way that they’ll receive it best that they because it can perceive your personality. Yeah.
good marital advice
John (33:47)
I’ve seen this in school because especially last year and the year before that, more and more students are using chat GPT or other AI programs to do their reports, to do their assignments. think that we can’t tell and I tell them, I’m like, I know you.
I know the way that you talk and I know that you cannot have written this because it doesn’t make sense. You have to be very careful. Very careful. And.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (34:09)
yeah, I use
it to do my podcast summaries the videos some keyword searching. It’s nice. I like that AI can up what we’re saying in these podcasts and do a transcript for me. But I will say when I’m writing my newsletters, it’s authentic. It’s 100% me. I do not use AI to write newsletters my content that I post on threads, Instagram.
We’re losing human authenticity and connection we’re relying too much on perfection a computer to do it for us. And part of the beauty of art is it was done by an hand. There’s even American tribes, that will purposefully put imperfections in their work because they it releases spirit some artwork.
John (34:44)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (34:58)
You know, it’s kind of cool, but there’s people that have virtual girlfriends now. Scary. And it makes them feel really good if you’ve seen Blade Runner, which when I watched it, I didn’t know it was R, but it demonstrates that.
John (35:05)
Yeah, I saw and s-
Yeah.
that’s a
perfect example of where we’re headed and that is the slippery It’s kind of sad. I always said like my generation and maybe my immediate nephews that follow me because there’s only years difference. I was there when the technology came in. I know what it was like growing up without all that technology.
The generations now have always had it. they instinctively trust technology sometimes even more than And a case in past year, I had a student that in homework and the answer was wrong. He’s like, no, it’s not. It’s correct. Well, it turns out they let chat GPT. ⁓
do their homework for them. they said, well, chat GP did it, the computer did it, therefore it’s right. then I sat down and showed them the computer made a mistake themselves. They didn’t know what to say. They’re like, computers don’t make mistakes. And I’m that’s the first thing you have to learn.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (36:12)
yeah, well and it depends on
who’s putting the… I find grammatical errors in chat GPT; well in things that are written by AI quite a bit. it’s kind of a glad I didn’t grow time my children are growing up. I haven’t really given access to have access to it now. And I wonder how they’re gonna handle it for sure.
John (36:20)
Yeah
Well, the thing that I learned early on even when it comes to the topic today, asking questions, is nothing inherently or bad. It’s all in how it is used technology is that technology is technology. has allowed.
technology to be created. He has allowed us to use it. Now how we use it is up us. Do we use it for good or bad?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:00)
Now, which brings us
back to questions of much would you like me to use Chat GPT Lord? this be a good idea to use Chat GPT for this? Or should I do it myself? And even what should I do first today? Can you help me make a list, prioritize the things that I do today? think we need to be more human.
John (37:19)
we do it.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:20)
and but also
more connected to source rather than connected to technology.
AI is dependent on who’s programming it. Yeah, it’s really dependent on who’s programming it and the questions that people are in or responding to. responding to all of these different factors. you ask it political questions and you turn the question around, it’ll give you really biased results. It’s interesting, like depending on,
John (37:27)
Who’s programming it? You don’t know.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (37:48)
how you ask the question. JP Sears did one on this He said, I’m really proud to be white. And it said, Well that’s really good to be proud of your heritage, but you need to make sure that you’re conscious of other groups of people, giving same treatment and you’re not better than anybody else. Like something along those lines. And then he said, I’m proud to be black. And it said,
I’m so proud of you for being so proud of your heritage. It was just so different. You know, it was just, it was just interesting, you know, it’s like training people. So if there’s people behind the scenes who have ulterior motives, it’s going to push an entire population in a certain direction. And I’ve even seen this with the way social media worked in recent years where it will reward
certain behavior content creators and so content creators are tempted to move in a certain direction or say certain things or not say other things. Like tell you how many people have got censored much of the stuff we talk about on this show. So they stopped because they’re like but I’m not getting as many views and I want get people to listen to it and so they stop being truthful.
or authentic because censoring themselves, interesting how it’s not even coming from a government per se, but it’s coming from the algorithm and the society itself, where we’re punishing each other for certain behaviors and then people are responding in order to be popular or fuel or business. just if you just think about how influencing society at large and pushing you in a certain direction.
authenticity, questioning why am I doing this? that’s not a bad why question. Or rather, let’s rephrase that, okay? Because I’m still learning this too, I’m evolving. Am I doing this for the right reasons? That is a much better question. And then you’ll get a more clear answer, right? Am I doing this because want to be popular? asking hard questions.
John (39:38)
better.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (39:49)
No, I’m not doing it to am I doing it to be popular? Ugh, I am? Dang it, okay. so just honest when you’re like in denial. No, I’m not! ⁓ yeah, I am.
John (40:00)
and I at the heart of it all is understanding how to think for yourself. I know whenever depressed or angry or suffering like that, a lot of times you hear what other people say and you take it to heart the point where you start believing it yourself and telling those things to yourself, wherein need to get into the habit of asking
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:21)
Mm-hmm.
John (40:25)
Questions, how was this affecting me? How was this beneficial to me?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:29)
Yeah.
Or take a how that a better question.
a good media for me to watch? you want me to stop watching it?
John (40:38)
Is there something from,
is there something that I can learn from listening to this or watching this? Is it beneficial to me? Is yeah. Yes or It’s
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (40:46)
And that’s kind of all that matters. or no?
So again, getting away from the how and the why. Again, it’s not easy to do. specific to the point.
John (40:57)
a learning process and the process never ends. You’re going to be learning your entire life. Try and learn from people who are older than you because they’ve experienced or done things that you have not done and therefore they have a more unique view. If you’re older, listen to the youngsters
have innocent view of topics. They have a more pure view and they can get you to question yourself in other ways. But that parents. Oh, yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (41:29)
Parents, parents, listen to your children.
have wisdom you don’t always have. Just because you’re the parent doesn’t mean they know nothing or that they should just do everything you say without question because sometimes they’re inspired and you need to listen to them.
John (41:34)
It’s echo.
Right.
One of my friends, him and the eldest personality wise are very much alike. But my friend was shocked when they started questioning their views. And he never expected that.
thought they were just going walk lockstep with me, take what I had to say, take it to there. They’re different. They’re different. They have different gifts. They have different abilities. see the different path. Yeah. And you have to understand that and be accepting of that. And that.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:06)
They’re different person.
A different path.
and encourage them
to ask questions that they might get answers to aren’t in alignment with what you want and to be courageous enough to give them that agency.
John (42:30)
who got…
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:30)
to God themselves and get
their own answers not just listen to you.
John (42:34)
Yeah. mean, that’s the way God was. He gave us a free will for a reason. He doesn’t want robots. He doesn’t want people that will blindly listen to him blindly what he tells you to do because you feel it’s a duty or He wants people to love him of their own free will. He wants us to do things because we accept it, not because he demands it. Cause it’s very, I mean,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (42:56)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, person forced against their
will will be of the same opinion still. Remember that, parents.
John (43:03)
that
is a good quote. like that true. I’ll even engage a little bit more at a higher level thinking on all of this. One of the best lessons I ever learned when I first started college, professor, he was old. mean, he was in his seventies, served in World War II, an engineer
and was teaching at the college and the college wanted him to retire because they said well his views are outdated and what not and this one example I have remembered my entire life the classroom we’re all sitting there he looked at us he picked up a textbook he said this is the textbook the college told you to buy for this class; does everybody have this being obedient little
Freshmen in college were like, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, we had our textbooks. We held it up. We got them. Yes, we’re ready He’s like good then he walked over opened up the window and he threw the textbook out and we were just like looking at him Anybody read anything on this bookshelf. There’s 20 some books on theory. He pointed them out. Theory!
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:01)
Ding!
John (44:12)
problems how to do equations like all of this and he looked and he says Anybody can do that anybody can read Anybody can duplicate what someone else has done. What you’re going to learn what I am going to teach you is how to think for yourselves.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:32)
How
many of us are just fed all day long by the phone, the media, by entertainment music, and we don’t even give ourselves time or space to think so we can even ask the questions that the Lord is so eager for us to for five minutes and just connect with me for a I can guide love
John (44:52)
Right.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (44:53)
you told that story before, but I think it’s a good one to tell again. we forgot to talk about timing because I think who, what, and when are the good ones to ask. Timing is really important. So a lot of times in the past, I’m quite intuitive. I’d get these inspirations of what I needed to do, and then I would just
go forward and I was gonna do it. And I had to learn from experience that the next question you’re not asking, Jennifer, is when. It’s not ready, set, go! It’s here’s the inspiration. Now just sit and wait for the right time to implement it. I will tell you when the light turns green.
John (45:24)
Ha
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (45:34)
And that has made my life so much better. a The podcast was like that. I have that I was going to do some kind presenting in some form of the information that I have
John (45:34)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (45:44)
started presenting in this podcast for, I want to say 10 years, I never quite felt I had the right delivery or the right timing and then I had a moment where it was just this bing, call this person. time, go. And I’m going, really? Now? Yep. Podcast time, go. And I’m like, okay, this will be interesting. And I started moving forward and here we are. Had I
tried to do this 10 years ago, I think it probably would have been really frustrating, would have gotten to a point where I’m just like, I give up, this is crazy. And God would have said, yeah, stop, because it wasn’t the right time. I don’t always get that right because I’m very eager timing can be everything. for marriage, like right person, right time, right place, right? Who, what, when?
many other things as well. So keeping that in mind, if you’re a generator or manifesting generator in human design, that’s pivotively important. you’re a manifestor, and I’ve told my son this, who is one, you get an idea, you can just run with it and it’ll probably go like the timing is usually I am not that. So I usually have to wait I get that.
Right, go it in your soul. It’s just like, yeah, now.
John (46:58)
you have to learn how to recognize that.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:00)
Even when to sell your should I put on market this week or should I wait a few months? It could be something as simple as that.
John (47:06)
Yeah, it can be very difficult people to be patient. If you look at our society, we live in the now We get everything and we have instant gratification. I want to listen to music. I turn on youtube boom instant gratification. I
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:19)
You don’t even have to go get the
record anymore and put it on.
John (47:23)
and we have to learn how to pace ourselves in God’s time. In all honesty, you want to look at the Bible and some of the stories, of the Old Testament how long people were willing to wait until it was the right time. They just kept asking that question. When, when, when?
and then it happens, it happens, it happens faster people think.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (47:46)
it’s crazy
how fast it happens that go. And everything, the most falls right into place. so much easier if you wait for the right time. Instead of getting the inspiration, going through with it and going, why didn’t it turn out the way I thought it told me to do And there we go with the why again, right?
John (48:05)
other thing have to do is be willing to ask yourself that question. Here’s a good one. When are you going to make a change? Do we, what’s the schedule like, you know,
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:13)
Today? Next week? When am I gonna be ready? Or what
is holding me back? Because that can be elusive. Sometimes you think it’s one thing, but it’s not. is blocking Can you help me identify what it is so that I can move forward? And then to the Lord. Here, please take this thing that you’ve helped me identify so I can give it up now.
John (48:37)
Right. And you have to also realize that might not get a direct message God. can ask him all the question, God acts other people.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (48:43)
It might be from another person.
I did get the first premonition inspiration from the television set, as you learned from my story. I never watched TV, and then the TV was on and there was my answer.
John (48:59)
can use everything he does sometimes things will happen in a way that’s don’t understand. It’s like how did God do that? how he like the
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:00)
Yeah.
He’ll talk to
us any way he can get our there was a woman who told a story about there was a party at her house and they all got out of the most of time the kids would get the baby out of the car seat and bring her in. Nobody did. And she didn’t realize they’d left her baby in the car. And they were having this party, she had the thought that
John (49:11)
Yeah.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:29)
I wonder if I left the chips, I leave the chips in the car? And then it hit her. spirit didn’t say, your baby’s in the car. Like she wasn’t hearing it. was, yeah, those chips, they might be in the car. And because that was what she was focused on at the moment. And then it hit her. my gosh, it turned out to be okay. Horrific. my gosh.
John (49:37)
Right
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (49:52)
one of my biggest nightmares, talk to us in ways that will get the hint and go in the direction we’re not really listening, when we’re focused on something else.
John (50:01)
Again, just ask those That’s, what it all boils down to. is this a good time you, my Lord.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:07)
What am I missing? Who do I need? Who is around me right now, if you’re talking about spiritual sense? So these are all, Do I need to have this conversation right now wait an hour? Sometimes that’s a good one too.
John (50:13)
When do I need them?
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:22)
I guess this is the right time to have this conversation.
John (50:23)
Yeah
⁓
yeah, people don’t have to calm down or anything.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (50:32)
Or
even, Maybe it seems like a great time, but something in you’s like, no, they’re not going to respond well today. I’ve got to wait. Anyway, this has been a great conversation. Thank you so much, John, for meeting me this Saturday morning. I’m actually someone for a chart.
Anybody who signs up for the newsletter can sign up for a free 20-minute consultation. free, would encourage you to do that. My newsletters are pretty awesome. It’ll take you five minutes to read. want to spend the hour a week watching the podcast or listening to the podcast, five minutes of some tidbits you might have not known.
things that might challenge your belief system in ways that might even make you mad, like stick it out; I remember challenging those beliefs myself and I’m not saying you have to believe anything I say. Just consider it. Take it to the Lord and ask questions. you again for being here this morning. I am Jennifer Stirling-Campbell.
John (51:24)
I am John.
Jennifer Stirling-Campbell (51:25)
We’ll see you next time.
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